Elsevier demands unacceptable for Germany’s academic community
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#2Hell yeah.
I am so, so glad that Open Access is being fought for instead of being appeased with concessions.
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#3Strikes me as a lost war for Elsevier
Re: Elsevier demands unacceptable for Germany’s academic community
#4Strikes me as a lost war for Elsevier
I wonder when they'll finally give up.
Re: Elsevier demands unacceptable for Germany’s academic community
#5Hell yeah. I am so, so glad that Open Access is being fought for instead of being appeased with concessions.
Agreed.
The folding of other consortia modelled after DEAL during negotiations has been shameful so I am glad that DEAL are standing firm.
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#6I can't help but think sci-hub has something to do with their ability to walk away.
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#7Strikes me as a lost war for Elsevier
They have almost all the assets. It's good trying to put pressure on them, because they've been abusing their position for too long, but if you can't access legally decades of references you and your institution have this problem that you can't work. Besides, if you get copies elsewhere you are liable and they can throw the copyright laws at you and win. This can only be solved with a new legal framework for IP (good luck with that) or ad hoc laws, they can't be forced to give up the golden eggs goose otherwise and they know it.
In the meantime, it would be nice if everybody uploaded their reviewed papers to arXiv. No one should have to pay for new content already been paid by the taxpayers.
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#8I hope to see more open source online journals like https://distill.pub/ in the future. With hosting being so cheap (basically free for anything remotely open source), I really don't see a need for private publishing companies.
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#9"Elsevier [...] is still not willing to offer a deal in the form of a nationwide agreement in Germany that responds to the needs of the academic community in line with the principles of open access and that is financially sustainable."
Elsevier can truly go burn in a fire and I hope that the universities here pull this through to the end. arxiv, distill and other places are a joy to use where I can just get knowledge and science that I need for projects. Elsevier simply destroys that out of pure greed and nothing else.
Re: Elsevier demands unacceptable for Germany’s academic community
#10Strikes me as a lost war for Elsevier
They have almost all the assets. It's good trying to put pressure on them, because they've been abusing their position for too long, but if you can't access legally decades of references you and your institution have this problem that you can't work. Besides, if you get copies elsewhere you are liable and they can throw the copyright laws at you and win. This can only be solved with a new legal framework for IP (good…
IIRC it won't be that easy in germany. Copyright is non-transferable so Elsevier has a license. Additionally we have the Verwertungsrecht, which is part of the non-transferabl part of the copyright law and gives the author of a work the exclusive and inalienable right to publish, copy and transmit their work as they see fit.
In Germany, there stands nothing in the way of all the professors and students simply republishing their work elsewhere and Elsevier could not nothing about it.
What they can't do is publish copies of works that Elsevier has edited (significantly). So if Elsevier contributed to the document then the editor as Elsevier and by proxy Elsevier has the copyright on those parts IF they are significant enough (significant is a huge burden of proof here, spelling mistakes being corrected don't count).