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I do not like to hire minorities or women.

#1
About two years ago my company had two candidates for a very large and important promotion.

1. An African American male from a prestigious college that had been with the company for eight years.

2. A white male that went to a community college that had been with the company for three years.

We choose the number #2. This caused #1 to immediately threaten to sue the company for racial discrimination. Why did we choose #1? Besides having never been late or used a sick day in the three years that he had worked for the company #1 had taken six voluntary workshops (#2 had only taken one), and on his own time had learned German. The position that opened up would have required frequent interactions with our German branch. When we explained to #2 why he was passed over he screamed racism and stormed out of my office. He then sued the company and the company settled.

I have worked at my company for twenty-seven years and I handle most of the hiring and firings in our Eastern US offices. I do not like to hire minorities or women. Minorities and women have an excuse. Get passed for a promotion? Racism/Sexism. Didn't get the raise that they believe they deserve? Racism/Sexism. Just don't like something? Racism/Sexism.

The reason that I don't want to hire minorities or women is because they cause more headaches. In fact, I shouldn't say minorities. East Indian and Asian males do not cause more than normal amount of problems. I know that this sounds like a stereotype but I am speaking from personal experiences. There are plenty of good female, black, and latino workers. In fact, I am one of them.

I am black. I've been black all of my life. I have had to deal with a few racial discriminations incidents in my life. I've been harassed by police officers and I've been followed by clerks as I shopped in stores. Race is an issue but we African Americans need to stop thinking everything revolves around it.

I get so frustrated by this. To be honest, I want to root for my fellow African Americans but the average black (or latino) worker will be late or sick or something more than the whites and when you reprimand them for this this they say it’s racism. I’ve had multiple incidents where a black employee has called me an Uncle Tom for forcing them to follow the rules.

I'm going to be called an Uncle Tom just for writing this. Any time a black man tries to speak about these things he gets treated harshly by those in the black community. Just ask Bill Cosby. The fact remains though, until those of us with darker skins stop making excuses for our failures we will never succeed.

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#2
I think you've mixed up your #1 and #2 here.

    We choose the number #2. This caused #1 to immediately threaten to sue
    the company for racial discrimination. Why did we choose #1? Besides
    having never been late or used a sick day in the three years that he
    had worked for the company #1 had taken six voluntary workshops (#2
    had only taken one), and on his own time had learned German. The
    position that opened up would have required frequent interactions with
    our German branch. When we explained to #2 why he was passed over he
You mean you passed #1 over.

    screamed racism and stormed out of my office. He then sued the company
    and the company settled.

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#3
The thing is, your first example, the black candidate that was passed over for valid reasons wasn't racism. But when you extrapolate to say: "Therefore I won't hire minorities, because they cause extra hassles", you have just jumped straight into the racism pool.

You don't know that any individual is going to correspond to the racial stereotype that you have in your head. It is not fair to treat an individual on the basis of what you believe to be racial characteristics. For starters, your prejudice may be ill-informed, that is, it may not be true, but a result of faulty confirmation-bias on your part. This is extremely difficult to avoid without actually doing a scientific study. And secondly, even if your racial profile is 100% correct, you still can't use that to justify a hiring decision of a candidate, because the candidate is an individual, and may not correspond to the racial profile.

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I think you've mixed up your #1 and #2 here. We choose the number #2. This caused #1 to immediately threaten to sue the company for racial discrimination. Why did we choose #1? Besides having never been late or used a sick day in the three years that he had worked for the company #1 had taken six voluntary workshops (#2 had only taken one), and on his own time had learned German. The position that opened up would hav…

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#6

The thing is, your first example, the black candidate that was passed over for valid reasons wasn't racism. But when you extrapolate to say: "Therefore I won't hire minorities, because they cause extra hassles", you have just jumped straight into the racism pool. You don't know that any individual is going to correspond to the racial stereotype that you have in your head. It is not fair to treat an individual on the…

Possibly ;-)

Clearly condoning Racism/Sexism etc... in hiring can't ever be acceptable but there is a different perspective that could be applied here

You could argue that the poster is mitigating risk - because he perceives that there are opportunities (rightly or wrongly) in hiring certain minorities / sexes and therefore he believes that he's acting in his company's best interests by proactively screening them out

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#7

The thing is, your first example, the black candidate that was passed over for valid reasons wasn't racism. But when you extrapolate to say: "Therefore I won't hire minorities, because they cause extra hassles", you have just jumped straight into the racism pool. You don't know that any individual is going to correspond to the racial stereotype that you have in your head. It is not fair to treat an individual on the…

Possibly ;-) Clearly condoning Racism/Sexism etc... in hiring can't ever be acceptable but there is a different perspective that could be applied here You could argue that the poster is mitigating risk - because he perceives that there are opportunities (rightly or wrongly) in hiring certain minorities / sexes and therefore he believes that he's acting in his company's best interests by proactively screening them out

That's the same thing as racism. Every racist ever has told himself that he's 'mitigating risk for the company' by not hiring minorities.

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#8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possibly ;-) Clearly condoning Racism/Sexism etc... in hiring can't ever be acceptable but there is a different perspective that could be applied here You could argue that the poster is mitigating risk - because he perceives that there are opportunities (rightly or wrongly) in hiring certain minorities / sexes and therefore he believes that he's acting in his company's best interests by proactively screening them out

That's the same thing as racism. Every racist ever has told himself that he's 'mitigating risk for the company' by not hiring minorities.

So are insurance companies who charge more to males "sexist" or to younger drivers "ageist"? Undoubtedly, there are some racist idiots hiding behind the policy of mitigating risk, but I can't believe some don't have reasonably logical, if tasteless, motivations.
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