Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard
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Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard
#2The entire Apple universe is bizarre. I've not used an Apple product except for the first gen iPhone but I did love it when I did.
Since then, Apple has been behind the curve on every thing. I want to go back to using Apple since I really like their stance on privacy and security but feature wise they're usually 2-3 years behind a Samsung or a Microsoft. And now, this...
Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard
#3Realistically, I just can't really see Apple fixing this by introducing a new keyboard design that's any thicker. As much as I would love to hear "We've heard your feedback on the keyboards and we've made some drastic changes to address them in our new Macbook Pro", it just doesn't seem like their style. What do others think they're going to do for their next release of laptops?
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#4Who is Apple engaging in design anorexia for?
Does it drive sales? Couldn’t some other stat be used to pad their presentations? Any thickness less than an inch is fine with me. I’m not concerned with whether my laptop fits in an envelope.
Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard
#5The entire Apple universe is bizarre. I've not used an Apple product except for the first gen iPhone but I did love it when I did. Since then, Apple has been behind the curve on every thing. I want to go back to using Apple since I really like their stance on privacy and security but feature wise they're usually 2-3 years behind a Samsung or a Microsoft. And now, this...
In terms of their computers, there has absolutely been a decline in quality, but in terms of their other product lines (and you specifically mention phones), I don't really think this is correct.
I mean in terms of phones, the iPhone X is pretty much top of the line -- are there other phones that exceed it in a meaningful capacity? Bezel-free design, face recognition, fake-DLSR like camera effects, etc.
Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard
#6Who is Apple engaging in design anorexia for? Does it drive sales? Couldn’t some other stat be used to pad their presentations? Any thickness less than an inch is fine with me. I’m not concerned with whether my laptop fits in an envelope.
I think it's just an easy thing for them to market. All other things being equal, people love "thinner and lighter." The problem is things aren't always otherwise equal.
Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard
#7Classic case of why business managers shouldn't be directing design of a product.
Business managers sees .2mm shaved off the thickness of macbook pro to 'justify' the premium cost of it over other laptops while a developer/pro user of the laptop would increase the thickness to gain battery and maybe mechanical/mesh hybrid keys... I would be more than happy to pay for a pro version of the current macbook pro.
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Instead of apple doing crappy warranty repairs to make up for their crappy design, they should give us mechanical/mesh hybrid keys and shoot the person who thought .2mm was worth such a shit keyboard....
cradling on my 2016 macbook pro
Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard
#8Glad to see him mention the Samsung debacle as well. When my Note 4 finally gave in to the eMMC problem earlier this year, I upgraded to a new-old-stock LG V20 instead of the latest greatness, because it was the last flagship made with a user replaceable battery. Over my Note 4's 3 1/2 year tenure, I replaced the battery annually. Each time, the battery life performance was restored to what I remembered from when the phone was new. I don't know what I'm going to do when the V20 dies, but it'll be a sad day indeed. I just have such a hard time believing that I'm the only one who wants a rugged (plastic or metal), repairable phone (the V20 can be [i]screwed[/i] apart ... no glue here) with a user-replaceable battery.
Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard
#9Realistically, I just can't really see Apple fixing this by introducing a new keyboard design that's any thicker. As much as I would love to hear "We've heard your feedback on the keyboards and we've made some drastic changes to address them in our new Macbook Pro", it just doesn't seem like their style. What do others think they're going to do for their next release of laptops?
I think they'll gradually improve the keyboard. It won't be great but it will be good enough.
like the "don't hold it that way" antenna gate problem and the phone bending problems.. They'll fix..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4#Antenna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6#Chassis_bending
Honestly, its hard to get off the mac ecosystem though. I have a macbook pro, and am starting to look at linux laptops. The options don't seem great. older Apple laptops are pretty well built, so hopefully it'll last a couple more years...
Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard
#10Is the title meant to be a joke?
- Apple as a company does not have a single point of failure.
- Arguably the iPhone could be called that; if they stopped selling MacBooks next year it still wouldn’t be their “downfall” (not that I like this state of affairs as I like MacBooks).
I don’t really hate the butterfly keys either. I’ve been using it for over a year now on the pro, and I don’t know if it’s the second iteration, but it hasn’t failed me yet. I will agree that the first iteration was awful, my “new MacBook” keyboard broke because I made the mistake of taking it to the beach.