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Ask HN: How to stop worrying and start enjoying?

#1
Hi HN,

I am a worrier. I worry about things that I should worry about, but I also worry deeply about hypothetical situations that will probably never happen. These can be to do with work, money, personal, life, you name it. You could even call it paranoia.

I am capable of idenfting the real threats from the fake ones, the ones that are extreme worst case scenarios - but I'm very bad at controlling them and letting go of them. Sometimes they can haunt me for weeks at a time.

This is of course deeply unpleasant and massively instrusive to the extent where I don't really enjoy daily life anymore.

I was wondering if anyone here has experienced these challenges and how they worked to overcome them.

All the best

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#2
My wife has the same exact issue. She will ruminate for weeks about things that don't matter but to her could put her in an awkward situation. Her anxiety can bring out the worst in her towards people who love her most and causes me anxiety/stress because I know what situations trigger her. It makes me want to hate her, to be perfectly honest. I know that is of no help to you, but reading this made me want to vent.

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#3
post #2

My wife has the same exact issue. She will ruminate for weeks about things that don't matter but to her could put her in an awkward situation. Her anxiety can bring out the worst in her towards people who love her most and causes me anxiety/stress because I know what situations trigger her. It makes me want to hate her, to be perfectly honest. I know that is of no help to you, but reading this made me want to vent.

No, not at all. It's good to vent! I hope your wife can find herself at ease soon. It's fucking shit to be like this

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#4
Try evaluating theoretical events with a probability rating. It doesn't have to be crazy specific, for example: you're worried about your boss being mad at you and firing you next week because you heard there might be some layoffs. Real threat, uncertainty, the worst of it. You ask, is there a greater than 50 pct chance or less than 50 pct chance that this can happen? It's not meant to be scientific, only build perspective. And also it helps acknowledge that the threats ARE real, without letting them suffocate.

Another way to build perspective is to triage between something you have control over (test coming up: well, one can study more) versus something you don't (I'm really worried about the storm they're talking about on Saturday).

The brain likes to loop and build habits. Building perspective consciously when you sense the negative thoughts is one way to 'exercise' the mind to build habits to have better perspective.

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#5
You've got a couple options, both of which involve seeing someone to help.

First, consider a psychiatrist for some anxiety medication. Mine put me on gabapentin, which is mild, but yours may recommend something different. That takes the edge off. It does help.

Second, find a cognitive behavioral therapist in your area! If you don't know where to start, try psychologytoday.com -- they have listings. Look for someone who does CBT specifically.

CBT really helps with your type of anxiety, because it helps you re-train your brain. It does take time, but using CBT, you can unwind these thoughts and stop them before they start.

If you're not familiar with the world of psychiatry and therapy, please note that a psychiatrist and a CBT therapist are 2 different people. Psychiatrists prescribe medication. Therapists help you work through your anxiety. Both are incredibly useful, and I recommend you utilize both.

Disclaimer: I am not a doctor. However, I have studied this extensively, and run a private FB group for entrepreneurs with ADHD, anxiety, and depression, so I have some incentive to "get it right", so to speak.

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#6
I've struggled with this too, and one thing I found really helpful was to start keeping a diary--in particular, of the hypothetical situations you're worried about.

I found that after a while, when I would go back and read what I was worrying about, say, a month prior, it seemed so alien and absurd that it helped a lot to put my current worries in perspective.

Best of luck to you.

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#7
Try doing the vertical arrow technique by David burns (google it) to see if it helps.

Basically sometimes the thing you're worrying about isn't actually the thing that is the core of your worry and this technique helps a lot with that.

For example if you're worrying about going out ask what does it really mean.. you'll come up with something like "the other person may not like me" again what does it mean "I'm a total bore" what does it mean "I'll be alone and lonely", etc. Once you get to the bottom of it then put the cognitive distortions and rational explaonations as explained.. the bottom line is when you write things down it becomes easy to see where the distortions are and fix them. But you will need to do it a lot and soon you may starts seeing results. Of course it's just my 2 cents and so ymmv.

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#8
post #5

You've got a couple options, both of which involve seeing someone to help. First, consider a psychiatrist for some anxiety medication. Mine put me on gabapentin, which is mild, but yours may recommend something different. That takes the edge off. It does help. Second, find a cognitive behavioral therapist in your area! If you don't know where to start, try psychologytoday.com -- they have listings. Look for someone w…

Seconding both of these. However, I might suggest re-ordering and give therapy a shot before you go down the psychiatrist/prescription route.

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#9
This is what I learned from Dale Carnegie, which seems to help. Imagine the very worst thing that can possibly happen, and try to imagine your life with that reality. See that it's not actually so bad. Then, do everything you can to prevent that from actually happening. Taking action, instead of thinking about it, helps. Also, distract yourself with positive relationships and exercise.

And a quote which is a little lighthearted - Michel de Montaigne said: “My life has been filled with terrible misfortune; most of which never happened"

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#10
post #7

Try doing the vertical arrow technique by David burns (google it) to see if it helps. Basically sometimes the thing you're worrying about isn't actually the thing that is the core of your worry and this technique helps a lot with that. For example if you're worrying about going out ask what does it really mean.. you'll come up with something like "the other person may not like me" again what does it mean "I'm a total…

sounds like "five whys" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_Whys
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