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Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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GDPR is yet another moat for established companies. It may take them some time to adapt their data models and engineer systems for data deletion, but once they have done so, it becomes something every startup will have to implement in order to compete.

I'm not saying GDPR isn't good for privacy (we need it); it just makes competition harder.

Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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post #3

GDPR is yet another moat for established companies. It may take them some time to adapt their data models and engineer systems for data deletion, but once they have done so, it becomes something every startup will have to implement in order to compete. I'm not saying GDPR isn't good for privacy (we need it); it just makes competition harder.

I think of it like outlawing chemical pollution of rivers.

Yes, a Corporation that manages not to dump toxic waste in rivers is going to have a moat against smaller companies that do dump toxic waste in rivers.

But I'd rather it be illegal than have companies competing for who can externalize their costs more effectively by passing their problem of waste management to the state / local area.

Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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While GDPR in itself has accomplished the goal of raising awareness on data security and transparency, probably only temporarily, the mind numbingly idiotic push-button based consent model is an utter failure.

99% of people don't read anything before they push yes. Most people get increasingly annoyed at the mountain of e-mails, and the hundreds of pages they in principle have to read through.

It's an extension of the already existing kafkaesque "press yes to allow cookies" that everyday has to be pressed multiple times with no real benefits other than wasting peoples time (at least in the EU).

People are already completely over encumbered with information. The more people have to do the same thing the less they give-a-f.

This carpet bombing of legal jargon makes people hate services, especially the smaller ones i am sure. "oh i don't want to deal with lots of legal contracts again".

I completely agree that something has to be done about the data-mining and fingerprinting monster, but the way all of this is implemented only further exacerbates the mega-corp gardens because they can afford to hire armies of lawyers, and because people get tired of clicking "i consent" after the bare minimum has been done - which off course means only saying yes to companies highest on the Alexa ranking.

Ironically these global conglomorates are the worst offenders and the original data-disaster culprit.

Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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post #3

GDPR is yet another moat for established companies. It may take them some time to adapt their data models and engineer systems for data deletion, but once they have done so, it becomes something every startup will have to implement in order to compete. I'm not saying GDPR isn't good for privacy (we need it); it just makes competition harder.

I'm not saying GDPR isn't good for privacy (we need it); it just makes competition harder.

If easy competition is being paid for through shady practices, then it should never have been that easy. It’s a no-brainer that a large, established business has certain advantages over up-and-comers; GDPR didn’t make that the case either. It’s easier for a large, rich company to do almost anything, including respecting our privacy as enforced by regulation or law.

Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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Do you know that saying: "Don't ask me how I made my first million?"

Many of the wealthy people became rich at first through business practices that either were in a grey area from the beginning, outright illegal, or they were made illegal later on.

However, they got to keep their money, either because laws tend not to be retroactive, or because nobody caught them, etc.

I agree there is an element true in "regulations will have the monopolists even more to entrench themselves in their markets," but mostly because they got their wealth through practices that are now made illegal, and they get to keep all of that wealth when nobody else can do the same anymore.

That's really the problem here.

Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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post #7

While GDPR in itself has accomplished the goal of raising awareness on data security and transparency, probably only temporarily, the mind numbingly idiotic push-button based consent model is an utter failure. 99% of people don't read anything before they push yes. Most people get increasingly annoyed at the mountain of e-mails, and the hundreds of pages they in principle have to read through. It's an extension of th…

99% of people don't read anything before they push yes. Most people get increasingly annoyed at the mountain of e-mails, and the hundreds of pages they in principle has to read through.

No offense, but this feels like a “99%” and “most” that is something less than rigorous. I don’t think sound arguments for or against GDPR can come from the “Ah Reckon” space. Throwing out made-up numbers that just represent personal assumptions and anecdote is an impediment to real discussion of these issues.

I’d add that GDPR explicitly forbids just the kind of “press yes to forfeit all of your rights” crap we’ve seen before. I realize that some sites are still trying to get away with it, it it’s non-compliant.

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