Facebook's Fix-It Team

I think most interestingly is "... (The reason: While people may commit a single homicide accidentally or in self-defense,..." homicide would be unlawful killing, so now I'm curious, is this per incident... as in, imagine someone had to kill two individuals at once in self defense, would they be banned from facebook?

sidebar: I have had my facebook deleted since 09/2015 so I may not be the key audience ever of facebook. Also, I am not condoning deadly force used legally or illegally, I am just curious as more of a thought experiment.

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Post by gnarbarian » Fri, May 25, 2018, 3:43 AM UTC

yial wrote: post #5

bonniemuffin wrote: post #3

Today I learned: "anyone convicted of two or more murders is banned from Facebook." (One murder is okay though.)

I think most interestingly is "... (The reason: While people may commit a single homicide accidentally or in self-defense,..." homicide would be unlawful killing, so now I'm curious, is this per incident... as in, imagine someone had to kill two individuals at once in self defense, would they be banned from facebook? sidebar: I have had my facebook deleted since 09/2015 so I may not be the key audience ever of facebo…

Key word there is convicted. Homocide in certain situations can be legal. Killing someone in self defense is legal (in the us). Another example of homicide with no fault to you would be someone jumping out in front of your car. Neither case would normally yield a conviction or even a case.

Also homicide is different than murder. Murder implies intent.

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Post by duxup » Fri, May 25, 2018, 4:09 AM UTC

"In the spring of 2017, Rosen put a team of engineers on “lockdown,” a Facebook practice in which people drop everything to solve a problem. The problem was dire indeed: People were using Facebook Live, a video-streaming service that had just launched, to announce their intention to kill themselves, and even to stream themselves doing it."

While I've got some strong feelings about Facebook and their actions... that's got to be a frightful experience, creating a system where you realize people are sharing their suicide on. There's nothing about being a technology company that makes you capable of dealing with such an issue but there it is and now you have to act.

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Post by fyfy18 » Fri, May 25, 2018, 5:21 AM UTC

Is there a way to pass the GDPR consent dialogue without giving them permission to do whatever they like with my data? I thought the purpose of the GDPR was to give users a choice as to whether their data is used?

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Post by sanderjd » Fri, May 25, 2018, 5:28 AM UTC

duxup wrote: post #7

"In the spring of 2017, Rosen put a team of engineers on “lockdown,” a Facebook practice in which people drop everything to solve a problem. The problem was dire indeed: People were using Facebook Live, a video-streaming service that had just launched, to announce their intention to kill themselves, and even to stream themselves doing it." While I've got some strong feelings about Facebook and their actions... that's…

This is the kind of empathy that I think lots of people fail to have when it comes to sites with user-generated content. As another example, lots of people seem to think Facebook is negligent for failing to properly delineate between fake and real news articles or between organic political speech and propaganda. Purely from an engineering perspective, I just don't see how they could possibly do even an adequate, let alone a good job of that.

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Post by gkanai » Fri, May 25, 2018, 5:44 AM UTC

duxup wrote: post #7

"In the spring of 2017, Rosen put a team of engineers on “lockdown,” a Facebook practice in which people drop everything to solve a problem. The problem was dire indeed: People were using Facebook Live, a video-streaming service that had just launched, to announce their intention to kill themselves, and even to stream themselves doing it." While I've got some strong feelings about Facebook and their actions... that's…

> creating a system where you realize people are sharing their suicide on.

They should have planned for that pre-launch and had a plan in place to deal with users like that. When Live was launched, journalists asked Zuckerberg about this exact topic and he would not believe the Live platform would be used in that way. Of course murders and suicides were streamed on the platform and FB was yet again on the back foot.

They continue to make 'mistakes' in understanding human nature. FB plans for the optimistic usage when in reality, that is rarely the normal usage.