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Think organic food is better for you, animals, and the planet? Think again

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Re: Think organic food is better for you, animals, and the planet? Think again

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Post by rossdavidh »

I have to admit, whenever I see something like this, my immediate response is: who paid for them to write this. I am reminded of the many talking heads in finance prior to 2008 who assured us that our financial system providing more debt than ever to support home loans was good for the economy.

I'm not saying it's impossible for organic to have downsides. It's not even impossible that those downsides might be substantial. I am saying it's impossible for me to trust an article that says so, given the way our newsmedia industry works. A good portion of our news is ghostwritten for them by industry, and this looks a lot like what I might pay for the ghostwriting of if I were, say, Monsanto. Is this true? I have no idea. But I am suspicious.

Re: Think organic food is better for you, animals, and the planet? Think again

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Post by stevespang »

Rather obviously this article was likely paid for by the chemical and pesticide industries . . . .

On the other hand, that's why they call Whole Foods Store "Whole Paycheck", when I used to go in there I saw throngs of hipsters staring at each other pretending to be shopping, while flashing $100 bills at the checkouts. Last time I visited it cost me $42 for two meals off the buffet.

Re: Think organic food is better for you, animals, and the planet? Think again

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Post by abtinf »

rossdavidh wrote: post #4

I have to admit, whenever I see something like this, my immediate response is: who paid for them to write this. I am reminded of the many talking heads in finance prior to 2008 who assured us that our financial system providing more debt than ever to support home loans was good for the economy. I'm not saying it's impossible for organic to have downsides. It's not even impossible that those downsides might be substan…

Do you apply the same standard to claims about "organic" products?

Re: Think organic food is better for you, animals, and the planet? Think again

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Post by peterwwillis »

So basically an article about how every health food will kill you. I think this wins clickbait of the year award.

In other news: ingesting too high a dose of vitamins causes disease. Film at 11.

On the "lower productivity economic impact" comment: productive compared to what? A large majority of our crops are soybeans and corn, which we subsidize mainly for industrial and export purposes, not to feed our people. In no way would we need to clear-cut parklands to produce more organic crops.

News flash: we don't grow all our food. The US spent 137 million dollars on food imports last year, compared to 43 million in 1999. A majority of our imports are horticultural and tropical. However, our exports (grains, feeds, soybeans, livestock, horticulture) always top our imports.

This is especially funny coming from a British rag. More than half of the UK's food is imported, and they always have a large trade deficit, which the US does not. They whine about US greenhouse gases, whereas the UK outsources its food production to other countries, thus claiming they don't produce as much greenhouse gas in the UK - because they're producing it elsewhere. The land required for producing UK food has increased by 23% since 1986. What was that about us having to clear-cut our parks again?

"Essentially, organic food is rich people spending their extra cash to feel good". Except that organics are now getting cheaper, more plentiful and more efficient, as the common consumer demands more organics as well. The overall push for more organic and less harmful food has resulted in better conditions for livestock and less harmful feed additives.

Re: Think organic food is better for you, animals, and the planet? Think again

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Post by Xeoncross »

> "But surely organics avoid pesticides? No. Organic farming can use any pesticide that is “natural”.

This is misleading. Organics do avoid pesticides - just not all of them. This is a step in the right direction.

> "Conventional food, it’s true, has higher pesticide contamination. Although it is still very low, this is a definite benefit of organics.

So basically, because "Organic" is still new and hasn't weeded out all the toxins yet - it's a total failure.

Sounds like the same logic used on cryptocoins, universal basic income, solar battery banks, and many other "work-in-progress" fields.

Organic means we didn't pollute the environment, animals, and humans as much. It's not like it's something new - it's simply the lack of hundreds of common poisons.

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