The Power to Revoke Lies with the Certificate Authority
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The Power to Revoke Lies with the Certificate Authority
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#3I thought they had a bit more background checks for EV certificates but apparently it looks more like some placebo effect than anything else.
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#4I thought they had a bit more background checks for EV certificates but apparently it looks more like some placebo effect than anything else.
As far as I know, he legitimately had a company named "Stripe, Inc". It was just registered in a different state.
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#5Earlier quoted context omitted.
As far as I know, he legitimately had a company named "Stripe, Inc". It was just registered in a different state.
Yeah but I thought EV certificates involved phone calls, manual checks of the website, some basic security compliance... All the kind of manual paperwork & background checks that the standard certificate would not do.
now stripe could take this up with the courts about how ian is confusing consumers and so forth, and they would win. but they didn't - they went straight to the CAs, and the CAs folded on an arbitrary rather than legal decision, which is a little concerning, but also not too concerning. the CAs were probably were just alerted to the fact that ian was running a website in an obvious bid to confuse people, and decided to revoke his cert. and honestly I think that's a fine, reasonable response to what ian did -- to help protect people from fraud. what wouldn't be a fine reasonable response is to do the same if he were in fact doing real business as a different stripe with non-confusing logos in a different market, not trying to look confusing on purpose.
there's no reason to be worried about having your legitimate cert revoked because of things like this, just like there's no reason to be worried about having your legitimate website kicked off cloudflare because of daily stormer. ultimately his point is that if EV SSL can do this, it is shit, and on that I agree.
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#8Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15904513
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#9When I pay with PayPal I usually ask myself if the website I'm on right now is genuine. I check if it's https, I check if the name is on the cert (the green lipstick) and, most important, if my password manager trusts this site by let it search for credentials matching the current url. Oh,of course I'm not on a public wlan... Can't it be easier?
2: PayPal/Stripe do have their one touch/sso stuff, if sign up with to that you'll have at least an indication if things go weird.
Otherwise you are right. It's a problem but it's a problem with the web, not specifically any payment processors which are all honestly doing anything they can to make these issues a non-issue.
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#10When I pay with PayPal I usually ask myself if the website I'm on right now is genuine. I check if it's https, I check if the name is on the cert (the green lipstick) and, most important, if my password manager trusts this site by let it search for credentials matching the current url. Oh,of course I'm not on a public wlan... Can't it be easier?