Why is Ember fading away?

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Post by vmware508 » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 12:07 PM UTC

Re: Why is Ember fading away?

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Post by tbassetto » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 12:27 PM UTC

I was confused by the title but this is about EmberJS, the web front-web framework.

From what I have seen from my peers, EmberJS is indeed often ignored :/ The developers I know that are using it at work seem very satisfied AND very productive with it though. And the same core team also released GlimmerJS which is very interesting: https://glimmerjs.com.

Re: Why is Ember fading away?

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Post by _m8fo » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 12:34 PM UTC

The premise seems to be that popularity is what's important. I'd say the useful metric is whether or not you can be productive with the tool at hand. Popularity is sometimes something that can make a framework more productive (as tutorials, documentation and libraries are released), however popularity is hardly a prerequisite.

Re: Why is Ember fading away?

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Post by icholy » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 12:37 PM UTC

I moved away from it because the object model is too prescriptive.

Re: Why is Ember fading away?

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Post by barrkel » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 12:38 PM UTC

_m8fo wrote: post #3

The premise seems to be that popularity is what's important. I'd say the useful metric is whether or not you can be productive with the tool at hand. Popularity is sometimes something that can make a framework more productive (as tutorials, documentation and libraries are released), however popularity is hardly a prerequisite.

Popularity is important if you want to hire developers - developers are generally less interested in moving their career in a different direction than the industry trends.

Popularity for frameworks is also important if the framework needs adapters to enable third-party libraries to work with the framework. Depending on how opinionated the framework is, the friction in embedding libraries may hamper productivity indirectly.

If you're a one man band, then it's definitely less important. If the framework is a really good fit for the job, likewise. Otherwise, there's safety in numbers.

Re: Why is Ember fading away?

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Post by mememaestro » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 12:38 PM UTC

If you still use Emberjs then you must be living under a rock!!

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Post by orf » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 12:47 PM UTC

My very first job after University was creating a large app in Ember. I had no modern Javascript experience but I was productive enough with it to build a pretty complex SPA with a lot of bells and whistles. So Ember has a fond place in my heart.

I think Ember is fading because it's just pretty different from other frameworks and there is a pretty big learning curve. But once you get up the curb you become super-productive and it's really nice.

It's a shame.

Re: Why is Ember fading away?

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Post by matthewmacleod » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 12:55 PM UTC

I don't think it's any fault of Ember, but more that there are now other competing options in the front-end Javascript space, and these will naturally suit some other use-cases more.

Re: Why is Ember fading away?

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Post by jherdman » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 1:03 PM UTC

icholy wrote: post #4

I moved away from it because the object model is too prescriptive.

Would you be able to elaborate on that a bit?

Re: Why is Ember fading away?

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Post by ynniv » Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 1:16 PM UTC

jherdman wrote: post #9

icholy wrote: post #4

I moved away from it because the object model is too prescriptive.

Would you be able to elaborate on that a bit?

I avoided it because the team had previously sacrificed the stability of SproutCore to make it “web designer friendly”, and Ember was more of the same.