Zuckerberg hits users with the hard truth: You agreed to this
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#2This is actually the correct response. A better way of saying it is: Facebook is not free. You pay by surrendering data about yourself and your friends.
Re: Zuckerberg hits users with the hard truth: You agreed to this
#3This is actually the correct response. A better way of saying it is: Facebook is not free. You pay by surrendering data about yourself and your friends.
I never cared about Facebook using data collected from their platforms, but the whole "Collecting phone data because you agreed to the very wide permission system implemented in Android systems", is a bit sketchy.
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#5Yes you consented, but it's not an informed consent.
Facebook will do anything to keep you as uninformed as possible (unreadable legalese, dark UX patterns, opt-outs, ...)
Re: Zuckerberg hits users with the hard truth: You agreed to this
#6This is actually the correct response. A better way of saying it is: Facebook is not free. You pay by surrendering data about yourself and your friends.
I never cared about Facebook using data collected from their platforms, but the whole "Collecting phone data because you agreed to the very wide permission system implemented in Android systems", is a bit sketchy.
Facebook doesn't have to anything you didn't deliberately agree to surrender. That isn't very sketchy.
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#7Statements like "you agreed to this" are disingenuous at best. Probably a more truthful statement would be, "you had to know we were getting SOMETHING out of this." While yes, the terms and conditions were completely forthright about what Facebook could do with collected data, they were counting on an a very small percentage of their users actually reading (or caring) about those terms. I can agree that no one has the right to be outraged though. The only sticky part here is that if I violate Facebook's Terms and Services, they'll terminate my account. They'll most likely still use my data after the termination of our agreement though.
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#8"And sure, we were as misleading as possible about it and tried our best to trick you into clicking that Next button, but that doesn't count, right?"
This reminds me of Steve Jobs' "You're holding it wrong." Tone deaf. Platforms always share the most responsibility. This applies to any UX thing. You can argue that the users are "idiots" for not doing what you think they're supposed to do, or you can fix your UX to make it as easy to understand as possible.
Alternatively, you can design your UX with dark patterns to ensure that users do a lot of stuff that are not good for them and aren't supposed to do, but you convince them or trick them into doing anyway, because that's good for you.
I also think that by using this strategy Facebook may win the battle, but it's going to lose the war. Eventually people will go "Well, then, if it's my fault, then maybe I shouldn't be accepting all of that stuff Facebook is pushing into my face in their apps." And then Facebook will slowly but surely die as people use it less and less as "Facebook intended" them to use it.
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#9He obviously doesn't watch South Park.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never cared about Facebook using data collected from their platforms, but the whole "Collecting phone data because you agreed to the very wide permission system implemented in Android systems", is a bit sketchy.
Facebook doesn't have to anything you didn't deliberately agree to surrender. That isn't very sketchy.
Facebook doesn't have to anything you didn't unconsciously agree to surrender. That isn't very sketchy.
Fixed that for you.