1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule

valuearb wrote: post #3

adamnemecek wrote: post #2

Humans need to have some fucking respect.

A bear ain't going to treat you nearly as well when the tables are turned.

I don't care.

Re: 1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule

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Post by fao_ » Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 2:13 AM UTC

valuearb wrote: post #3

adamnemecek wrote: post #2

Humans need to have some fucking respect.

A bear ain't going to treat you nearly as well when the tables are turned.

... that's really no excuse?

1. How many animals have humans driven to extinction now? Perhaps they would not be extinct were people to treat them with greater respect.

2. If you treat an animal with respect the tables will never have an opportunity to turn, because you won't be blatantly trespassing on it's turf.

Re: 1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule

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Post by thatswrong0 » Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 2:15 AM UTC

fao_ wrote: post #5

valuearb wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bear ain't going to treat you nearly as well when the tables are turned.

... that's really no excuse? 1. How many animals have humans driven to extinction now? Perhaps they would not be extinct were people to treat them with greater respect. 2. If you treat an animal with respect the tables will never have an opportunity to turn, because you won't be blatantly trespassing on it's turf.

Using animals as test subjects isn't really comparable in magnitude to the damage we do on a global scale to ecosystems, which is what is actually causing extinction

Re: 1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule

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Post by protomyth » Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 2:28 AM UTC

Wow, do yourself a favor and read the comments section since the Project Officer, tracking antenna designer, a co-worker of one of the engineers, and a trajectory dynamics engineer for General Dynamics. They all dispute the one comment saying the bears were hurt / destroyed although the chimpanzee was slightly injured.

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 2:32 AM UTC

adamnemecek wrote: post #2

Humans need to have some fucking respect.

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Re: 1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule

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Post by userbinator » Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 2:34 AM UTC

valuearb wrote: post #3

adamnemecek wrote: post #2

Humans need to have some fucking respect.

A bear ain't going to treat you nearly as well when the tables are turned.

Indeed. In fact, a bear is quite a bit more sturdy than a human, so the fact that one survived an ejection only means a human might have a chance; but it was to establish a possible upper limit.

Re: 1962 U.S. Military Ejects Bear from B-58 to Test Escape Capsule

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Post by chiph » Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 2:37 AM UTC

protomyth wrote: post #7

Wow, do yourself a favor and read the comments section since the Project Officer, tracking antenna designer, a co-worker of one of the engineers, and a trajectory dynamics engineer for General Dynamics. They all dispute the one comment saying the bears were hurt / destroyed although the chimpanzee was slightly injured.

That one comment is really out of line with what I know about ejection seat testing. Did they use bears? Yes. Hundreds of bears? No. The same bears hundreds of times? As the other comments said - they would have had to drug the bears to the point where the physio data was worthless.

The USAF museum in Dayton Ohio has one of the escape modules on display (I saw it back in 2004-ish).

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-...