TLS 1.3 approved
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TLS 1.3 approved
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#3 - Static RSA and Diffie-Hellman cipher suites have been removed; all public-key based key exchange mechanisms now provide forward secrecy.Re: TLS 1.3 approved
#4If I'm not mistaken this means no "authorized" MITM - Static RSA and Diffie-Hellman cipher suites have been removed; all public-key based key exchange mechanisms now provide forward secrecy.
MITM proxies, which are trusted by the client and which terminate and recreate the TLS connection, will continue to function. (Assuming they implemented TLS 1.2 correctly, which some didn't.)
Re: TLS 1.3 approved
#5If I'm not mistaken this means no "authorized" MITM - Static RSA and Diffie-Hellman cipher suites have been removed; all public-key based key exchange mechanisms now provide forward secrecy.
It does not. There are some passive decryption tools that will no longer work because they functioned by having non-forward-secure connections and the server's private key installed in the decrypter. (But one can just not support TLS 1.3 at the server to keep them working.) MITM proxies, which are trusted by the client and which terminate and recreate the TLS connection, will continue to function. (Assuming they impl…
Re: TLS 1.3 approved
#6If I'm not mistaken this means no "authorized" MITM - Static RSA and Diffie-Hellman cipher suites have been removed; all public-key based key exchange mechanisms now provide forward secrecy.
It does not. There are some passive decryption tools that will no longer work because they functioned by having non-forward-secure connections and the server's private key installed in the decrypter. (But one can just not support TLS 1.3 at the server to keep them working.) MITM proxies, which are trusted by the client and which terminate and recreate the TLS connection, will continue to function. (Assuming they impl…
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#7Does someone know what the differences are between the final version and the draft that Chrome and Firefox enabled in Feb 2017? How much did they have to change for the middleboxes?
The question is just which draft Chrome and Firefox were using back then. The changes for the middleboxes were according to the changelog in draft-22, and IIRC consisted basically in adding back a few unnecessary fields, and allowing an useless handshake message (which is ignored by the receiver). The main trick was IIRC to make all TLS 1.3 connections (resume or not) appear identical to a TLS 1.2 resume connection.
A more detailed history of all changes to the spec can be found at its git repository: https://github.com/tlswg/tls13-spec/
Re: TLS 1.3 approved
#8 E.5. Replay Attacks on 0-RTT
Replayable 0-RTT data presents a number of security threats to TLS-
using applications, unless those applications are specifically
engineered to be safe under replay (minimally, this means idempotent,
but in many cases may also require other stronger conditions, such as
constant-time response). Potential attacks include:
- Duplication of actions which cause side effects (e.g., purchasing
an item or transferring money) to be duplicated, thus harming the
site or the user.
- Attackers can store and replay 0-RTT messages in order to re-order
them with respect to other messages (e.g., moving a delete to
after a create).
- Exploiting cache timing behavior to discover the content of 0-RTT
messages by replaying a 0-RTT message to a different cache node
and then using a separate connection to measure request latency,
to see if the two requests address the same resource.
Ultimately, servers have the responsibility to protect themselves
against attacks employing 0-RTT data replication. The mechanisms
described in Section 8 are intended to prevent replay at the TLS
layer but do not provide complete protection against receiving
multiple copies of client data.
It seems practically guaranteed a lot of devs will enable it without understanding the ramifications.. I hope embeddings like Nginx add a nice configuration interface like "enable_0rtt YES_I_UNDERSTAND_THIS_MIGHT_BE_INSANE;" or similar. Meanwhile I wonder if concentrators like Cloudflare will ever be able to support it, without knowing lots more about the apps they are frontingI guess e.g. Nginx could also insert an artificial header to mark requests received as 0-RTT, and frameworks like Django could use that header to require views be explicitly marked with a decorator to indicate support, or something like that
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
It does not. There are some passive decryption tools that will no longer work because they functioned by having non-forward-secure connections and the server's private key installed in the decrypter. (But one can just not support TLS 1.3 at the server to keep them working.) MITM proxies, which are trusted by the client and which terminate and recreate the TLS connection, will continue to function. (Assuming they impl…
Did banks and other network operators who require monitoring their traffic just deem the MITM proxies too expensive or complex, or what was the reason for their protest?
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#100-RTT sounds nice, until you get to appendix E.5. Everyone should read this: E.5. Replay Attacks on 0-RTT Replayable 0-RTT data presents a number of security threats to TLS- using applications, unless those applications are specifically engineered to be safe under replay (minimally, this means idempotent, but in many cases may also require other stronger conditions, such as constant-time response). Potential attacks…
I believe the argument against not doing it was that some companies will just implement their own protocols instead. Eh, I think the chances of that happening were pretty slim. Now most of the problems we'll see with TLS 1.3 will likely be related to 0-RTT.
Also, wasn't that basically the same argument for implementing MITM in TLS 1.3? That if they don't do it the banks and middlebox guys will just stick to TLS 1.2 or whatever?
And who cares about a little bit of an extra HTTPS delay, when just adding Google analytics and Facebook Pixel to your site can increase the delay by over 400 ms? Some poor performance tracking tracking scripts add 800 ms on their own.