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Re: Bazel Fawlty
#2Interesting to have feedback on Bazel usage outside of Google. Bazel looks like a great tool, but it's good to see the community starting to explore its sweet spots and drawbacks.
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#3Thanks for the comments on Bazel -- I am evaluating a proper build system for us right now for a data science codebase almost entirely in Python, with a lot of scientific computing dependencies. Bazel doesn't yet seem to have first-class support for Python, so that's out, and I'm running into a lot of problems with Twitter Pants, although their Slack channel is really helpful.
Did you ever try using Pants or Buck, or a more barebones approach like Ninja?
P.S.: An explanation of the pun on "Basil Fawlty" (as a non-Brit, I thought, what on earth is that?) in the article might be helpful.
Re: Bazel Fawlty
#4What's the context for this - as in, the 'we' in question and the thing they were building with bazel? And are they really posting from March 16, 2018?
Re: Bazel Fawlty
#5Thanks for the comments on Bazel -- I am evaluating a proper build system for us right now for a data science codebase almost entirely in Python, with a lot of scientific computing dependencies. Bazel doesn't yet seem to have first-class support for Python, so that's out, and I'm running into a lot of problems with Twitter Pants, although their Slack channel is really helpful. Did you ever try using Pants or Buck, or…
You might have figured it out already, but:
"The plots centre on tense, rude and put-upon owner Basil Fawlty (Cleese)..."
Re: Bazel Fawlty
#6For your docker container needs:
"Bazel should in theory be able to decide if a docker image should be rebuilt"
You can checkout Bazel's docker rule: https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_docker
Also, go already has a very good build sysmtem build-in, and hazel really shines when: - you have a complex codebase with multi-languages: one can build a tool in one language and use it as tool for a another language. - you simply have a really large code base - you can work on the path //service1/my/service and your colleague can work on //service2/their/service, and only the path got changed needs to rebuild every time.
Re: Bazel Fawlty
#7Thanks for the comments on Bazel -- I am evaluating a proper build system for us right now for a data science codebase almost entirely in Python, with a lot of scientific computing dependencies. Bazel doesn't yet seem to have first-class support for Python, so that's out, and I'm running into a lot of problems with Twitter Pants, although their Slack channel is really helpful. Did you ever try using Pants or Buck, or…
Classic Basil Fawlty scene when his car breaks down (needs sound, includes swearing):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv0onXhyLlE
Imagine the car is your build tool...
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#8I have worked extensively with Bazel in the context of migrating a very large Java/Scala codebase from Gradle to Bazel.
My impression is that it is a first-class build system _specifically for Java and C++_. There are specific properties of the compilation and packaging ecosystem around those languages and runtimes that make them uniquely in need of tools like Bazel. This is not true for Go, where build speed and large codebases were a consideration up-front (especially with the new build caching features that shipped in Go 1.10), and are almost completely irrelevant in the context of "interpreted" languages like Python, Ruby or JavaScript.
There are plenty of other languages and runtimes that stand to benefit from a tool like Bazel, but just because Bazel is a fantastic tool in some contexts doesn't mean it brings that much to the table in others.
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#9What's the context for this - as in, the 'we' in question and the thing they were building with bazel? And are they really posting from March 16, 2018?
Well, one section is suspiciously titled Back to the Future.