A Clojure learning journey
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A Clojure learning journey
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Re: A Clojure learning journey
#2This is amazing. More people should get to know clojure as it's a wonderful language that has almost all concurrency models on this planet. Also now with core.typed it retains most of the benefits of the statically typed ones while being as productive as other dynamic ones or more.
Re: A Clojure learning journey
#3This is amazing. More people should get to know clojure as it's a wonderful language that has almost all concurrency models on this planet. Also now with core.typed it retains most of the benefits of the statically typed ones while being as productive as other dynamic ones or more.
> More people should get to know clojure as it's a wonderful language that has almost all concurrency models on this planet.
Clojure is great. But Rust is a Must, so I hear, and you will need some Python for ML. And then of course JavaScript if your stuff touches the web, and it all does. And there is Go and Erlang or is that Elixir for systems and transactions. Ruby or PHP for RAD and Java for the large stuff can not be ignored.
And before you know it you'll be bad at 25 languages, instead of good in one or two that allow you to do what needs to be done.
All these languages are great in the sense that they exist and show what is possible but they make it super hard for a professional programmer with ~8 hours in a productive day to choose which eco system (which is far larger than just the language by itself) they want to invest their time in leading to some variation on the paralysis of choice theme.
I'm super happy I don't have to earn my bread by coding today, I sincerely would not know what to choose to maximize longer term value of my investment in time. It's like building a house on quicksand.
Re: A Clojure learning journey
#4Not sure why the excitement around ditching Lein when it looks like there is little or nothing to be gained at this time? The author describes a handful of other tools that are necessary to do things Lein does out of the box (uberjar)
The Clojure ecosystem (specifically through the lens of this post) reminds me of the Linux desktop ecosystem. Lots and lots of tweaks and knobs and dials for the sake of having tweaks and knobs and dials.
That’s my biggest gripe with Clj... there is hardly ever a “right way” to do things and usually a dozen esoteric approaches to organizing your application. It’s a blessing and a curse. All the rope to hang yourself with.
That being said I really like writing Clojure in the pure sense but have yet to see a really pleasant 1. App architecture and 2. Web application and routing layer. Ring/compojure don’t do it for me.
Re: A Clojure learning journey
#5Not sure why the excitement around ditching Lein when it looks like there is little or nothing to be gained at this time? The author describes a handful of other tools that are necessary to do things Lein does out of the box (uberjar) The Clojure ecosystem (specifically through the lens of this post) reminds me of the Linux desktop ecosystem. Lots and lots of tweaks and knobs and dials for the sake of having tweaks a…
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Re: A Clojure learning journey
#6This is amazing. More people should get to know clojure as it's a wonderful language that has almost all concurrency models on this planet. Also now with core.typed it retains most of the benefits of the statically typed ones while being as productive as other dynamic ones or more.
> More people should get to know clojure as it's a wonderful language that has almost all concurrency models on this planet. Clojure is great. But Rust is a Must, so I hear, and you will need some Python for ML. And then of course JavaScript if your stuff touches the web, and it all does. And there is Go and Erlang or is that Elixir for systems and transactions. Ruby or PHP for RAD and Java for the large stuff can no…
The best value a language can provide is the community around it. That is, the amount of high quality libraries out there. And the choices, when coming from this stance, are a handful: .Net and JVM ecosystems, Python, C/C++, then Perl and Ruby to some extent. With these, you know most of the generic things you'll need to have in order to do the specific thing you want to do are available to you. Equally important the amount of documentation and literature out there. The actual language features, syntax, etc., all come after this. First of all, a language has to have some giants with nice stable shoulders.
Re: A Clojure learning journey
#7Not sure why the excitement around ditching Lein when it looks like there is little or nothing to be gained at this time? The author describes a handful of other tools that are necessary to do things Lein does out of the box (uberjar) The Clojure ecosystem (specifically through the lens of this post) reminds me of the Linux desktop ecosystem. Lots and lots of tweaks and knobs and dials for the sake of having tweaks a…
It wasn't so much about ditching Lein as it was taking a clean-slate opportunity to learn and understand the new CLI tooling.
Nothing wrong with Lein at all!
Knobs and dials: this is true of every eco-system, wouldn't you say? Is 2018 the year of the linux desktop, finally? :-)
I agree that Clojure has a lot.
Right assumes a known context. Do what is right for you. Sometimes, that's Knob A, and sometimes that's Dial B. The fun is in figuring it out.
Re: A Clojure learning journey
#8Not sure why the excitement around ditching Lein when it looks like there is little or nothing to be gained at this time? The author describes a handful of other tools that are necessary to do things Lein does out of the box (uberjar) The Clojure ecosystem (specifically through the lens of this post) reminds me of the Linux desktop ecosystem. Lots and lots of tweaks and knobs and dials for the sake of having tweaks a…
@whalesalad, would you be willing to give me direct feedback on this project, as I go? I'd love to understand your pain points more fully!
Re: A Clojure learning journey
#9Not sure why the excitement around ditching Lein when it looks like there is little or nothing to be gained at this time? The author describes a handful of other tools that are necessary to do things Lein does out of the box (uberjar) The Clojure ecosystem (specifically through the lens of this post) reminds me of the Linux desktop ecosystem. Lots and lots of tweaks and knobs and dials for the sake of having tweaks a…
@whalesalad, would you be willing to give me direct feedback on this project, as I go? I'd love to understand your pain points more fully!
Sure, my email is in my profile.
Re: A Clojure learning journey
#10Fascinating how large it is.. it's more than a learning.. or at least it's deep learning (sic).