In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster
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Re: In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster
#2"...dipping it into salt water and then thrusting a knife into its brain."
So for a few seconds it will think it's being released back into its natural habitat and then seconds later its brains are dripping down some chef's knife.
The article talks about "animal dignity", but how is that giving them any form of dignity? They are still being killed unnaturally.
NOTE: I'm not some animal rights person and I do eat meat without thinking, and no I've never seen the inside of a slaughter house (and yes I think that would probably scar me for life).
Re: In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster
#3"...dipping it into salt water and then thrusting a knife into its brain." So for a few seconds it will think it's being released back into its natural habitat and then seconds later its brains are dripping down some chef's knife. The article talks about "animal dignity", but how is that giving them any form of dignity? They are still being killed unnaturally. NOTE: I'm not some animal rights person and I do eat meat…
> The article talks about "animal dignity", but how is that giving them any form of dignity? They are still being killed unnaturally.
The point is to minimize unnecessary suffering. If you have to kill it, don't prolong it.
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#4It's at this point you'd probably want to go read David Foster Wallace's essay "Consider The Lobster", an assignment he took from (I shit you not) Gourmet Magazine, which begins with a sort of Illinois Country Fair style travelogue from the Maine Lobster Festival and "ends", if you can call the back 2/3rds of an essay "ending", in a discussion of the meaning of pain and its applicability to the specific nervous system anatomy of crustaceans.
Suffice it to say: Wallace is not convinced that the knife through the head lets you off the hook so easily.
Re: In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster
#5"...dipping it into salt water and then thrusting a knife into its brain." So for a few seconds it will think it's being released back into its natural habitat and then seconds later its brains are dripping down some chef's knife. The article talks about "animal dignity", but how is that giving them any form of dignity? They are still being killed unnaturally. NOTE: I'm not some animal rights person and I do eat meat…
Natural death of an animal in the nature can be quite long and very painful. The point is not to simulate natural kill, the point is to kill the animal without torturing it unnecessary.
Re: In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster
#6"...dipping it into salt water and then thrusting a knife into its brain." So for a few seconds it will think it's being released back into its natural habitat and then seconds later its brains are dripping down some chef's knife. The article talks about "animal dignity", but how is that giving them any form of dignity? They are still being killed unnaturally. NOTE: I'm not some animal rights person and I do eat meat…
> The article talks about "animal dignity", but how is that giving them any form of dignity? They are still being killed unnaturally. The point is to minimize unnecessary suffering. If you have to kill it, don't prolong it.
Yes but dignity is usually related to respect and honor.
When was the last time you killed and ate something out of respect?
They should change that phrase to "reduce cruelty towards animals" and then it's fine. Say it as it is basically.
Re: In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster
#7"...dipping it into salt water and then thrusting a knife into its brain." So for a few seconds it will think it's being released back into its natural habitat and then seconds later its brains are dripping down some chef's knife. The article talks about "animal dignity", but how is that giving them any form of dignity? They are still being killed unnaturally. NOTE: I'm not some animal rights person and I do eat meat…
There is nothing more natural than being killed and eaten by one's predator, not necessarily in this order.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The article talks about "animal dignity", but how is that giving them any form of dignity? They are still being killed unnaturally. The point is to minimize unnecessary suffering. If you have to kill it, don't prolong it.
Yes but dignity is usually related to respect and honor. When was the last time you killed and ate something out of respect? They should change that phrase to "reduce cruelty towards animals" and then it's fine. Say it as it is basically.
> Yes but dignity is usually related to respect and honor. When was the last time you killed and ate something out of respect?
I don't kill what I eat, but most communities and cultures where this is a regular occurrence have long traditions of respecting the animals being sacrificed. One form of respect is to minimize the animal's suffering (both when it's raised and when it's killed), another is to use all parts of it, another is to not have an unfair advantage when hunting it, and so on. It's not one dimensional.
One of my all-time favourite comments on HN deals with this beautifully:
Re: In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster
#9It's also illegal to own a single guinea pig or parrot (because they are prone to loneliness): https://www.zmescience.com/other/feature-post/guinea-pig-swi...
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