The U.S. drops out of the top 10 in innovation ranking
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Re: The U.S. drops out of the top 10 in innovation ranking
#2Is the metric for most stem masters or phds useful? The Soviet Union use to produce many such people but never achieved much.
Re: The U.S. drops out of the top 10 in innovation ranking
#3Is the metric for most stem masters or phds useful? The Soviet Union use to produce many such people but never achieved much.
They beat the US in sending the first man to space.
Saying that “they never achieved much” is a gigantic understatement!!
Re: The U.S. drops out of the top 10 in innovation ranking
#4Is the metric for most stem masters or phds useful? The Soviet Union use to produce many such people but never achieved much.
Apparently the quantity of patents is also considered. Not the best metric either IMO
Re: The U.S. drops out of the top 10 in innovation ranking
#5Is the metric for most stem masters or phds useful? The Soviet Union use to produce many such people but never achieved much.
I disagree.
Some of the Soviet scientists who won a Nobel Prize in science [1]:
- 1958 Pavel Cherenkov, Ilya Frank and Igor Tamm "for the discovery and interpretation of the Cherenkov effect"
- 1962 Lev Landau "for his theories about condensed matter, particularly about liquid helium superfluidity"
- 1964 Nikolay Basov and Aleksandr Prokhorov "for fundamental work in the area of the quantum electronics, which led to the construction of oscillators and amplifiers on the basis of the maser laser principle"
Additionally, some of the other areas where Soviets contributed to research and innovation include [2]:
- stem cells
- light emitting diodes
- electric rocket motor
- blood bank
- paratrooping
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_the_...
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_innovation...
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Re: The U.S. drops out of the top 10 in innovation ranking
#6Honestly a lot of these "global" rating systems are ridiculous. The US easily produces the most innovation globally.
This is similar to ranking systems that consider McGill the Harvard of Canada or consider Babson College the #1 for Entrepreneurship.
Re: The U.S. drops out of the top 10 in innovation ranking
#7Is the metric for most stem masters or phds useful? The Soviet Union use to produce many such people but never achieved much.
If you look it with modern history-rewriting lenses (e.g. what most people born after 1970 would have heard about) no.
At the time though, they did a heck of a lot of good basic research -- plus the whole "first man on space" thing.
Re: The U.S. drops out of the top 10 in innovation ranking
#8What drags the US down most in these rankings is "tertiary efficiency": roughly the fraction of people in grad school or with graduate degrees.
Ranking countries is a dodgy business, even more than ranking colleges. A different set of weights or ways of measuring things could give you totally different answers.
If you're looking for a way to claim the rankings are biased, you might argue that this up-ranks countries that value credentials over actual innovation. Or you might claim that these days, an undergrad education is enough to go out in the world and innovate and that countries that send more students through grad school are wasting their time. Or you might claim that the US is a developed country with a developing country attached, which drags down the averages. And probably California, NY, MA and a few other states considered independently would rank highly.
Re: The U.S. drops out of the top 10 in innovation ranking
#9Is the metric for most stem masters or phds useful? The Soviet Union use to produce many such people but never achieved much.
Around 50% or so of Russian PhD Dissertations are plagiarized.
Here’s your source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/03/...
Russia did a lot of innovation in the 1950’s - 1970’s. They then made two terrible decisions. One was to stop producing their own computer parts and steal from abroad, which worked at first but then it became harder to steal and reverse engineer than simply make themselves. The BESM-6 mainframe was an incredible computer, sad they didn’t continue working on it. Second was the move against the Jews in the 1970’s. Kind of ironic they didn’t learn the lesson of Hitler, lots of great future scientists left. Anyway this is why the Google founder Sergei Brin is now in the US. His father was Jewish and wanted to be a mathematician, but since he was a Jew he could only be a janitor.
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#10I mean, sure, it's feasible that Israel unseated the US at no. 10, but also the US gives Israel tens of billions of dollars in support.