Courts: Violating a Website’s Terms of Service Is Not a Crime
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#2When I was growing up you went by what the protocol allowed. If an http response came back you have access, if it prompted for credentials, then you didn’t have access.
The mere idea that a web server gives you info and then you have to check a TOS that you might not even know exists is foreign to me. But when I talked with a young programmer they kind of agreed with Oracle saying “otherwise you could just request everything from every possible address.” They were unfamiliar with war drivers or even how early web crawlers started.
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#3I just hope that this trend can continue and can sufficiently bury the idea that accessing public (as in without any kind of authentication method) information on the internet should not ever be a violation of any laws when done without malicious intent (a DoS attack should still obviously be illegal).
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#5Note that the decision says that violations are not criminal acts, but that doesn't mean that license violations can't result in civil lawsuits and encumbent financial damages.
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#6This is positive news. It seems like the more liberal approach taken when protocols were written is being challenged more by young users who grew up under more stable rules that accepted terms of service as very strong. When I was growing up you went by what the protocol allowed. If an http response came back you have access, if it prompted for credentials, then you didn’t have access. The mere idea that a web server…
Re: Courts: Violating a Website’s Terms of Service Is Not a Crime
#7Note that the decision says that violations are not criminal acts, but that doesn't mean that license violations can't result in civil lawsuits and encumbent financial damages.
If you use the website in a way that they would normally ask money for, like circumventing a paywall, is that something they could claim damages as in missed revenue for? I wonder if this ruling makes it legal to scrape for data processing.
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#8If a website operator wants to control if a user can access the website, then there are ways to do this without resorting to criminal prosecution.
Through server software, websites can control how fast HTTP requests can be made in succession or how many requests can be made in a single connection.
Websites can further control what IP addresses have their HTTP requests fulfilled.
But users can still utilize client software to make automated requests and comply with any of these restrictions.
The user might just send the requests slowly or from a different IP address.
Ultimately, no website can force a user to use a GUI, mice or touchcreens. The same as no website can force a user to use a particular browser.
If a website wants to control how a user accesses the website, there is no way to enforce this under the criminal law.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you use the website in a way that they would normally ask money for, like circumventing a paywall, is that something they could claim damages as in missed revenue for? I wonder if this ruling makes it legal to scrape for data processing.
What's "legal" would be up to a jury. Note, however, that a deep pocket could bankrupt you simply through legal mechansims such as discovery.
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#10Does this mean that scraping is acceptable now, even if a site's TOS explicitly forbid it?