Dude, you broke the future (transcript)
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Dude, you broke the future (transcript)
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#2Meta note: I'm submitting this again, and don't think of this as a dupe, because I think the transcript/blog form is much more engaging than a video (and by accounts on the video thread, the transcript may be the better form here even if one likes videos).
Previous discussion on video: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16032643
Re: Dude, you broke the future (transcript)
#3Corporations are optimization processes. Advertising is an optimization process. Social networks are. Smartphone addiction. Political polarization. Television, mobile games, and most forms of entertainment.
This prevalence, and the fact that it's not EVIL doing it but just amoral goal-directed processes, seems to me to be the key to recognizing, fighting back, and fixing society.
We have to figure out some way to fight for our human values, against these optimization processes. I don't think Stross has (or claims to have) a strong answer there... any ideas?
Re: Dude, you broke the future (transcript)
#4Meta note: I'm submitting this again, and don't think of this as a dupe, because I think the transcript/blog form is much more engaging than a video (and by accounts on the video thread, the transcript may be the better form here even if one likes videos). Previous discussion on video: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16032643
note that the authors own submission was marked as a dupe of the video: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16051337
Re: Dude, you broke the future (transcript)
#5Corporations are optimization processes. Advertising is an optimization process. Social networks are. Smartphone addiction. Political polarization. Television, mobile games, and most forms of entertainment. This prevalence, and the fact that it's not EVIL doing it but just amoral goal-directed processes, seems to me to be the key to recognizing, fighting back, and fixing society. We have to figure out some way to fig…
It's almost like we need community-level organizations for people to participate in weekly dedicated to helping people become more selfless, humble, and generally more loving humans so that their actions can then be an influence to everyone around them for feedback effect. Fix society at the community level, and higher levels will follow.
Re: Dude, you broke the future (transcript)
#6Corporations are optimization processes. Advertising is an optimization process. Social networks are. Smartphone addiction. Political polarization. Television, mobile games, and most forms of entertainment. This prevalence, and the fact that it's not EVIL doing it but just amoral goal-directed processes, seems to me to be the key to recognizing, fighting back, and fixing society. We have to figure out some way to fig…
It's almost like we need community-level organizations for people to participate in weekly dedicated to helping people become more selfless, humble, and generally more loving humans so that their actions can then be an influence to everyone around them for feedback effect. Fix society at the community level, and higher levels will follow.
Haha... (at the cleverness of your description of church/religion)
Secular church is definitely one approach, one option to try to fight fire with fire. I've seen compelling analysis tying the increase in intense political tribalization to filling the void left by the general decline in societal religiosity.
Every cause wants to be a cult. (To quote, I think, eyudkowsky)
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#7Corporations are optimization processes. Advertising is an optimization process. Social networks are. Smartphone addiction. Political polarization. Television, mobile games, and most forms of entertainment. This prevalence, and the fact that it's not EVIL doing it but just amoral goal-directed processes, seems to me to be the key to recognizing, fighting back, and fixing society. We have to figure out some way to fig…
It's almost like we need community-level organizations for people to participate in weekly dedicated to helping people become more selfless, humble, and generally more loving humans so that their actions can then be an influence to everyone around them for feedback effect. Fix society at the community level, and higher levels will follow.
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Re: Dude, you broke the future (transcript)
#8I think a way to look at it is this: The singularity happened, likely sometime in the 90s. It was, what any singularity is, the point where what came before it is not useful to predict what came after.
It is no surprise that the event defined by our inability to predict past it did not work out in the way we imagined.
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#9I think a way to look at it is this: The singularity happened, likely sometime in the 90s. It was, what any singularity is, the point where what came before it is not useful to predict what came after. It is no surprise that the event defined by our inability to predict past it did not work out in the way we imagined.
By that definition there would be MANY singularities throughout history. Pretty much anything that caused a paradigm shift would fit, for example "the printing press", "the atom bomb", or "the internet".
It is definitely an interesting way of looking at things, but I think waters down the "singular" part of the singularity too much.
Re: Dude, you broke the future (transcript)
#10Meta note: I'm submitting this again, and don't think of this as a dupe, because I think the transcript/blog form is much more engaging than a video (and by accounts on the video thread, the transcript may be the better form here even if one likes videos). Previous discussion on video: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16032643
note that the authors own submission was marked as a dupe of the video: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16051337
Ok, since people seem determined to resubmit it we'll mark this one as the dupe and revive that one.