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Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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> “In Delhi, you can’t become an important man without pulling some kind of fraud,”

This is not only a problem in India. We need to stop dealing with companies that have bad ethics or values, so that they go out of business. Do not work for them and do not do business with them. Sure you might lose money in the short run, but we all win in the end.

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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> “In Delhi, you can’t become an important man without pulling some kind of fraud,” This is not only a problem in India. We need to stop dealing with companies that have bad ethics or values, so that they go out of business. Do not work for them and do not do business with them. Sure you might lose money in the short run, but we all win in the end.

It needs people to take a stand and I think that's what's lacking. Often the alternative is not starvation so desperation isn't always an excuse. Look, if everyone around you is a cynic, if everyone around you is saying you're a dummy for being an honest person, if everyone around you is saying 'this is the way things work around here', you need to be brave AND honest to push back against that. Most humans (anywhere) just follow.

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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post #2

> “In Delhi, you can’t become an important man without pulling some kind of fraud,” This is not only a problem in India. We need to stop dealing with companies that have bad ethics or values, so that they go out of business. Do not work for them and do not do business with them. Sure you might lose money in the short run, but we all win in the end.

It needs people to take a stand and I think that's what's lacking. Often the alternative is not starvation so desperation isn't always an excuse. Look, if everyone around you is a cynic, if everyone around you is saying you're a dummy for being an honest person, if everyone around you is saying 'this is the way things work around here', you need to be brave AND honest to push back against that. Most humans (anywhere)…

It is worse, consider officialdom in China where any highish official can be brought down for corruption at anytime. So if you are clean, you won’t get promoted, because your higher ups and peers can’t control you with that axe over your head.

So ya, you can take a stand, but you aren’t going to go far enough in your career for the stand to make much of a difference, cynicism or not.

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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edited: Some grammatical errors.

Great read, and full of issues that are discussed on HN everyday. Also, not a new topic, the call centers have been on the decline for long, and for good reasons.

> -today, young people from agricultural castes want to work in offices and not farms. I wondered what other options were open to them.

> Poojary read it out to me in his best American accent, which he had perfected by the end of his first week. He insisted that I play along as the unwitting American.

I'm South Indian, I didn't grow up there, but I can vouch for the condescending tone of Snigdha (the author of this piece). It's very much like how a condescending North Indian talks about a South Indian. And she's the 'educated' North Indian here talking to an 'un-educated' one. The condescension is palpable, and present throughout the piece. I have not read her other 2 pieces, but they're on similar topics, and I expect a similar tone. I'm not sure if it is a reflection of her distaste for the people in these highly questionable occupations, or just sprinkles of editorial hate.

> “America is full of old people who live alone. They have no one to turn to if anything goes wrong.”

I've heard many arguments about how its a cultural thing, old people in the west (more weighted towards N-America) are treated as a burden. A burden on the economy, a social burden (damn those annoying grandpa's and grandma's). Isn't that why the 401k and MediCare/MedicAid exist? (excluding the set of population that doesn't qualify for them) to pay them(selves) back for their 40+ years of service? I'd like to hear some fresh arguments/data on why they are treated as such. I'd be grateful to anyone who points me to more reading material on this topic.

> “It’s very easy to scam Americans. They are very gullible.”

It just becomes easier to exploit the opposite side if you just demean them a little. Americans are fat and stupid, the British choose to chew their crap food with their crap teeth, and don't get me started with those vodkaholic Russians. Why don't we go a bit further, dehumanise them, then you're off to war aren't you. I'm just pointing out the micro scale from which these sentiments can snowball, nothing more.

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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I guess that it can be partly attributed to the fact that Indians don't doubt anything even if it's too good to be true.

A few years back a neighbor called upon us with his young son who had just completed his graduation. It turned out that wanted to seek my opinion on a job offer his son had received. His son had graduated from a tier-III institute in India; below average academically and all that. Apparently he received an email offering him a job in London, some 110K pounds/annum, all without an interview.

I attempted to explain that it sounded fishy if not outright scam, but they weren't ready to listen.

A couple of weeks later these guys told my Dad that the ones who offered the job were asking for money under some pretext or the other and that they've decided not to move ahead with it.

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The scammers realize that people are desperate, gullible and keep on tricking people for years, even decades. Just like the Nigerian prince who was finally nabbed last week [0] after a couple of decades.

[0] https://www.theroot.com/white-nigerian-prince-email-scammer-...

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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This is like the boiler room stuff from "Wolf of Wall Street". Unfortunately it is not reviled rather held in awe.

One thing which is never talked about in these articles is the failure of Indian government (past and present) to find effective family planning policies. Population growth is through the roof and hence unemployment is huge. With not much left in terms of job prospects lot of people turn to shady stuff.

And while the article makes a case for IRS and Microsoft scams, slowly these guys are running domestic scams too. Lot of people receive calls claiming to be from a particular bank/digital wallet company/phone provider. The victims are asked to share the OTP sent to their mobile for "verification". These OTPs are mainly for digital wallets. Once the scammers reset the password they withdraw or spend most of the money in the wallets.

Re: Scammers gaming India’s overcrowded job market

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post #2

> “In Delhi, you can’t become an important man without pulling some kind of fraud,” This is not only a problem in India. We need to stop dealing with companies that have bad ethics or values, so that they go out of business. Do not work for them and do not do business with them. Sure you might lose money in the short run, but we all win in the end.

Yes, but what happens when everyone is on the short run? People die in the hundreds in India everyday (52 Accidental, and 32 Un-Natural every hour [0])

These ARE due to the sheer population numbers, but you cannot ignore the fact that everyone is on a very quick race, you can run it and die in the process, or you can scam some guy with a bicycle/scooter/car/heli/jet and get there quicker + safer.

[0] http://ncrb.nic.in/StatPublications/ADSI/ADSI2014/adsi-2014%...

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