Tell HN: Andreessen, Thiel, Cuban, IBM, Intel Are Against Net Neutrality

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Post by please_choose » Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 11:46 PM UTC

I haven't see any friends, Democrats, or Republicans (including comments on Fox News Facebook posts that I've seen) that weren't pro Net Neutrality. Curious, I searched to see who was against it beyond AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast. According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality#Arguments_against): Individuals who oppose net neutrality include TCP/IP inventor Bob Kahn,[172][173], Marc Andreessen,[174] Scott McNealy,[175] Peter Thiel,[168] David Farber,[176] Nicholas Negroponte,[177] Rajeev Suri,[178] Jeff Pulver,[179] John Perry Barlow,[180] Mark Cuban[181] and FCC Chairman Ajit Pai.

Corporate opponents of this measure include Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, IBM, Intel, Cisco, Nokia, Qualcomm, Broadcom, Juniper, D-Link, Wintel, Alcatel-Lucent, Corning, Panasonic, Ericsson, and others.[85][166][167]

Re: Tell HN: Andreessen, Thiel, Cuban, IBM, Intel Are Against Net Neutrality

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 13, 2017, 1:35 AM UTC

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Re: Tell HN: Andreessen, Thiel, Cuban, IBM, Intel Are Against Net Neutrality

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Post by tobaschco » Wed, Dec 13, 2017, 1:35 AM UTC

Frankly I'm surprised our good friends Oracle or Larry Ellison aren't part of that list.

Re: Tell HN: Andreessen, Thiel, Cuban, IBM, Intel Are Against Net Neutrality

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Post by himom » Wed, Dec 13, 2017, 1:43 AM UTC

It’s no great surprise greedy people are against the majority when it’s convenient for them. What is troubling is our collective inability to restrain their and our greed and consumption from destroying each other, destroying ourselves and destroying the planet. Until that happens, nuanced, smart regulation and enforcement will be as constructive as herding ants.

Either we stop us and them, or we all die.

Re: Tell HN: Andreessen, Thiel, Cuban, IBM, Intel Are Against Net Neutrality

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Post by warmfuzzykitten » Wed, Dec 13, 2017, 2:46 AM UTC

tobaschco wrote: post #3

Frankly I'm surprised our good friends Oracle or Larry Ellison aren't part of that list.

Was that the obligatory Oracle-bashing comment? Can we agree it has no technical substance and down-vote it?

Re: Tell HN: Andreessen, Thiel, Cuban, IBM, Intel Are Against Net Neutrality

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Post by stonogo » Wed, Dec 13, 2017, 2:53 AM UTC

tobaschco wrote: post #3

Frankly I'm surprised our good friends Oracle or Larry Ellison aren't part of that list.

They should be; it's just an oversight.

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/332127-oracle-backs-net...

Re: Tell HN: Andreessen, Thiel, Cuban, IBM, Intel Are Against Net Neutrality

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Post by hluska » Wed, Dec 13, 2017, 3:54 AM UTC

warmfuzzykitten wrote: post #5

tobaschco wrote: post #3

Frankly I'm surprised our good friends Oracle or Larry Ellison aren't part of that list.

Was that the obligatory Oracle-bashing comment? Can we agree it has no technical substance and down-vote it?

Actually, Oracle came out as being against net neutrality several months ago.

Re: Tell HN: Andreessen, Thiel, Cuban, IBM, Intel Are Against Net Neutrality

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 13, 2017, 4:04 AM UTC

warmfuzzykitten wrote: post #5

tobaschco wrote: post #3

Frankly I'm surprised our good friends Oracle or Larry Ellison aren't part of that list.

Was that the obligatory Oracle-bashing comment? Can we agree it has no technical substance and down-vote it?

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Re: Tell HN: Andreessen, Thiel, Cuban, IBM, Intel Are Against Net Neutrality

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Post by fnwx17 » Wed, Dec 13, 2017, 10:25 AM UTC

these quotes go back as far as 2006. I'm curious whether the people above have changed their mind meanwhile?

Re: Tell HN: Andreessen, Thiel, Cuban, IBM, Intel Are Against Net Neutrality

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Post by klez » Wed, Dec 13, 2017, 11:20 AM UTC

Wait, isn't it a bit of a stretch saying that John Perry Barlow is against net neutrality by linking to the declaration of independence of cyberspace?

I mean, that seems to advocate against government intervention on the internet, but not specifically net neutrality. Also, I'm pretty sure data caps and stuff like that would be squarely against the principle outlined in the declaration.

Am I just being naive?