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An Interview with an Anonymous Data Scientist (2016)

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Hah, this is a great interview! [You can't really trust someone who calls themselves a data scientist, they are just taking that exciting and financially rewarding name], loosely paraphrasing. Too bad it is anonymous. It totally fits my unfair preconceptions of this field. I know, I'm a "computer scientist" with a phd, its not a real science if you have to put science in the name, that's what they tell me.

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Good interview, there are a bunch of bits I feel like I ought to be Quoting For Truth but then I'd end up with a pretty bloated reply.

> I want to emphasize that historically, from the very first moment somebody thought of computers, there has been a notion of: “Oh, can the computer talk to me, can it learn to love?” And somebody, some yahoo, will be like, “Oh absolutely!” And then a bunch of people will put money into it, and then they'll be disappointed.

Reminds me of a pre-transistor computing quote from Charles Babbage, about some overeager British politicians:

> On two occasions I have been asked, — "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" In one case a member of the Upper, and in the other a member of the Lower, House put this question. I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.

Re: An Interview with an Anonymous Data Scientist (2016)

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Hah, this is a great interview! [You can't really trust someone who calls themselves a data scientist, they are just taking that exciting and financially rewarding name], loosely paraphrasing. Too bad it is anonymous. It totally fits my unfair preconceptions of this field. I know, I'm a "computer scientist" with a phd, its not a real science if you have to put science in the name, that's what they tell me.

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Any bets on when the current deep learning bubble is going to burst?

It’s shocking to me how much technical people buy into this, how “this time it’s different” and AI isn’t “over-promising and substantially under-delivering” this time. Really odd to watch it come round again, when the reality is we’re more likely to see some near incremental progresses, partly fueled by more compute and algorithmic advances. Partly by a lot of PR.

Re: An Interview with an Anonymous Data Scientist (2016)

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post #4

Good interview, there are a bunch of bits I feel like I ought to be Quoting For Truth but then I'd end up with a pretty bloated reply. > I want to emphasize that historically, from the very first moment somebody thought of computers, there has been a notion of: “Oh, can the computer talk to me, can it learn to love?” And somebody, some yahoo, will be like, “Oh absolutely!” And then a bunch of people will put money in…

Speaking as a 'loon', his AI history is wrong in several places:

1. the Fifth Generation Project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_generation_computer) was 1980s officially ending in 1992, not 'late 1990s' (during the Dot-com bubble?!); 2. the Lisp bubble didn't pop because of a failed DoD piloting project, it popped because of the first AI Winter + commodity SPARC/x86 pressure + recession (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine) (and I don't recall DARPA instituting any policy like 'no AI', just stopping subsidizing Symbolics and later Connection Machine); 3. the Club of Rome report couldn't've killed its modeling language because it only really acquired its present ill repute by the 1990s, the implementation language Modelica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modelica) didn't die (last release: April 2017) and is still in industrial use which is more than almost all languages from the 1960s-1970s can say, and even the World3 model (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World3) analyzed in the report continued development for decades; 4. the Oxford paper (https://www.fhi.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/The-Future-of-Em...) doesn't make precise forecasts for when any automation may happen (merely saying "associated occupations are potentially automatable over some unspecified number of years, perhaps a decade or two"); 5. the GPU server comparison is really weird as computers have almost always cost more than humans and only relatively recently do any computers' hourly costs fall below minimum wage; and 6. the Dartmouth description is wrong, the conference merely proposed (http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/history/dartmouth/dartmou...) that meaningful progress could be made by 10 researchers, not grad students ("We propose that a 2 month, 10 man study of artificial intelligence be carried out during the summer of 1956 at Dartmouth College...We think that a significant advance can be made in one or more of these problems if a carefully selected group of scientists work on it together for a summer.")

Also, come on dude, Keras isn't hard to use - it's not even comparable to Tensorflow. But at least he didn't tell the tank story.

Re: An Interview with an Anonymous Data Scientist (2016)

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post #4

Good interview, there are a bunch of bits I feel like I ought to be Quoting For Truth but then I'd end up with a pretty bloated reply. > I want to emphasize that historically, from the very first moment somebody thought of computers, there has been a notion of: “Oh, can the computer talk to me, can it learn to love?” And somebody, some yahoo, will be like, “Oh absolutely!” And then a bunch of people will put money in…

Speaking as a 'loon', his AI history is wrong in several places: 1. the Fifth Generation Project ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_generation_computer ) was 19 8 0s officially ending in 1992, not 'late 1990s' (during the Dot-com bubble?!); 2. the Lisp bubble didn't pop because of a failed DoD piloting project, it popped because of the first AI Winter + commodity SPARC/x86 pressure + recession ( https://en.wikiped…

And there's more where he's plain wrong, like Aluminium.

Despite all that a great antidote to the overhype that I see most days.

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