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Re: Microsoft launches a PC vs Mac website

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They pretty much nail the "fun" category, but the repeated shots they take at compatibility (and iWork) seem pretty dishonest to me, considering, you know, Office for Mac has been around 25 years?

And the Top 10 list made me laugh aloud:

  1) the Dock and contextual menus have been around since 2001
  2) iMovie and iPhoto were out first
  3) Okay, score one for MS.
  4) It takes exactly three clicks on Mac OS X as well.
  5) Uh, Spotlight?
  6) Macs have long been applauded for their sleep/wake abilities. 
  7) Again, nothing OS X hasn't done for years.
  8) Point two for MS.
  9) iTunes/Front are good, internet TV doesn't count.
  10) Not really seeing this one either.

Re: Microsoft launches a PC vs Mac website

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You know... all snark aside, a lot of these things are true:

* Macs get a tiny fraction of the games available to Windows.

* Macs really don't have Bluray support.

* Macs really are different from Windows, although they are different in arguably a good way, and my mom had no trouble learning them.

* Macs really do a crappy job with Word and Excel, and like it or not, and regardless of the degree to which this is MSFT's fault, Word and Excel are important in business.

* Macs are less compatible with hardware, although this is getting less and less so.

Now, obviously you have to trade this off against:

* Macs shipping out of the box able to do solid video and audio editing --- as in, "plug in the Flip camera and go".

* Macs superior out-of-the-box integration with the #1 online digital media store (ITMS)

* The all-around better user experience on the Mac for the things most people care about.

And, I am genuinely baffled by the "it's easier to share on Windows". Uh, no it isn't.

As a Mac user I say it's about time Microsoft stopped pussyfooting around making oblique references to Apple. It's a real fight, and they should try to win it.

Re: Microsoft launches a PC vs Mac website

#4
9 out of 10 people already use Windows. Are they trying to get that number back up to 9.4 out of 10? I think their efforts are better spent in mobile and building an iPad competitor. It's really going to hurt when Apple and Google lock up the mobile and tablet markets.

Re: Microsoft launches a PC vs Mac website

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post #2

They pretty much nail the "fun" category, but the repeated shots they take at compatibility (and iWork) seem pretty dishonest to me, considering, you know, Office for Mac has been around 25 years? And the Top 10 list made me laugh aloud: 1) the Dock and contextual menus have been around since 2001 2) iMovie and iPhoto were out first 3) Okay, score one for MS. 4) It takes exactly three clicks on Mac OS X as well. 5) U…

The top 10 list isn't really interesting because it's just a framing device for Win7 features; the "real" top 10 list would lead with "native support for Word and Excel", and would include something about security.

Re: Microsoft launches a PC vs Mac website

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post #4

9 out of 10 people already use Windows. Are they trying to get that number back up to 9.4 out of 10? I think their efforts are better spent in mobile and building an iPad competitor. It's really going to hurt when Apple and Google lock up the mobile and tablet markets.

A huge chunk of their money depends on people using Windows (the Office hegemony depends in part on people being native Windows), so it'd be borderline irresponsible of them to ignore this issue; Microsoft did make a tablet play, which went nowhere, and for all we know iPad-style tablets really are a flavor of the month.

It's hard to argue with tens of billions of dollars.

Re: Microsoft launches a PC vs Mac website

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post #5
post #2

They pretty much nail the "fun" category, but the repeated shots they take at compatibility (and iWork) seem pretty dishonest to me, considering, you know, Office for Mac has been around 25 years? And the Top 10 list made me laugh aloud: 1) the Dock and contextual menus have been around since 2001 2) iMovie and iPhoto were out first 3) Okay, score one for MS. 4) It takes exactly three clicks on Mac OS X as well. 5) U…

The top 10 list isn't really interesting because it's just a framing device for Win7 features; the "real" top 10 list would lead with "native support for Word and Excel", and would include something about security.

> The top 10 list isn't really interesting because it's just a framing device for Win7 features;

Right and it's not technically a top 10 of Mac vs. PC, but the tabs are right next to each other which is why I commented on it.

Re: Microsoft launches a PC vs Mac website

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post #3

You know... all snark aside, a lot of these things are true: * Macs get a tiny fraction of the games available to Windows. * Macs really don't have Bluray support. * Macs really are different from Windows, although they are different in arguably a good way, and my mom had no trouble learning them. * Macs really do a crappy job with Word and Excel, and like it or not, and regardless of the degree to which this is MSFT…

I really like the publishing layout view in word. It saved me countless hours trying to write some documentation for work where you have to describe screenshots and how they work. Basically you have a long narrative of a numbered list and link all the textbox regions so they flow from one to another. I don't think the windows version of word has this mode.

Re: Microsoft launches a PC vs Mac website

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post #4

9 out of 10 people already use Windows. Are they trying to get that number back up to 9.4 out of 10? I think their efforts are better spent in mobile and building an iPad competitor. It's really going to hurt when Apple and Google lock up the mobile and tablet markets.

My guess: The brass at Microsoft was probably thrilled when Apple switched to Intel. To them, this meant easy virtualization/dual boot setups, so obviously, more licenses sold for Windows (because, c'mon, everyone needs Windows with that vast library of software that EVERYONE uses!)

Then they realized people switching were happy with just OS X and the cross platform available titles....

Re: Microsoft launches a PC vs Mac website

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post #4

9 out of 10 people already use Windows. Are they trying to get that number back up to 9.4 out of 10? I think their efforts are better spent in mobile and building an iPad competitor. It's really going to hurt when Apple and Google lock up the mobile and tablet markets.

I don't think this is a bad idea for them - I've heard (no sources, unfortunately) that new college entrants are now predominantly using Macs. It takes years for the loss of market share to truly translate into profit/revenue loss.

If it's true that the younger generation is flocking to Macs in droves, then it would be deceptive and ill-advised to say that 9 out of 10 people right now use Windows, and that's the way it will stay.

I think MS is fighting to avert a disaster that will happen 5-10 years from now. This seems wise, though as a Mac user I have to scoff a little bit at it ;)

(Windows can do more than Macs, but lack of integration and poor UI means that most of its users don't.)

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