You Will Not Understand This
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You Will Not Understand This
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#2Did, uh, anyone else understand that bit?
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#3"Fuck you forever for breaking e-mail for everyone in the world." Did, uh, anyone else understand that bit?
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#4"Fuck you forever for breaking e-mail for everyone in the world." Did, uh, anyone else understand that bit?
Even if you manually select Plain Text to send, it still reflows lines at 78 characters by manually inserting linebreaks and adds its own special characters where it feels like. It also doesn't follow a handful of RFCs specific to email. There is no workaround for the forced hard-wrapping of lines in Plain Text. It will not let you use format=flowed either.
Plain Text mode has been obviously unusable for a long time, and the only folks who ever really bothered to complain about it were kernel developers (the mailing list requires plain text). Nobody else cares, but they should. Go figure.
If you're using a 'modern' mail client, you don't notice this. If you're using old, tried and true technology, the problems are plain as day.
Gmail broke email.
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#5"Fuck you forever for breaking e-mail for everyone in the world." Did, uh, anyone else understand that bit?
I _guess_ he means that siloing email provision to a few large providers means that its harder to run your own email server without being flagged as spam.
Sure, I guess it's harder to run your own email server, but the trade-off was virtually zero spam making its way to my inbox. I think that's a trade worth making, since I vividly remember the dark days of email.
One thing I've noticed about people who are nostalgic for the past, is that they either misremember or forget the negative things while wearing their rose-colored glasses.
I saw someone pining for the good old days of the late 90s internet due to a lack of ads everywhere and I gently reminded them that due to a lack of bandwidth and modems capable of download at speed, a gif file took 5 minutes to download and view, videos were basically non-existent to download as real-player was in its infancy serving up what amounted to flip-book quality clips which still took 15 minutes to download a 15 second clip.
The internet wasn't in some golden age back in the late 90s, it was slow as fuck, quality was shit and there was barely any content. We take so much for granted today...
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#6"Fuck you forever for breaking e-mail for everyone in the world." Did, uh, anyone else understand that bit?
- now it's quite impossible to administrate your own email servers. Anti-spam measures are very effective (and enjoyable for us as users), but so paranoid that being part of the few select nodes that don't have their emails marked as spam (or are even propagated at all) is a full time job.
- gmail dicthed IMAP in favor of their own API. Pluging an IMAP client into your email account requires to dig inside your account security settings and change several obscure values with scary names and warnings. Sometime it even doesn't work, and then you do it again later, and it works for no reason. A non tech saavy user will never succeed in doing that, and hence everybody will use the web base version.
- the security of gmail accounts are insane. Not in the good way. I have yet to have a problem with a pirated account. But I had several problems with being locked out by Google deciding that "something was suspicious" because I was traveling or using someone else computer. Of course google has zero help desk to solve this. Loosing access to my emails is NOT ok. And to do it to protect me (against a threat visibly less likely than google freaking out) is adding insult to injury.
- Google scans and collects every emails you send and receive. So much for privacy. It also shares everything, thanks to PRISM. Even when I decided to dicth gmail, most people are using gmail and will never setup encryption. So by just existing, my communication are spied on, even if I don't use the service myself. Oh, and the bot scanning your mails may follow links in them. I had "burn after reading" documents that I could never open because of this.
- The gmail account is a google acount. Which means something that should be "just emails" is now a beacon to track me on all the websites I go to. It's also associated with all my google services activity. And on the android phones I log into. It requires a lot of effort and disciple on my part to mitigate that. Running a phone without an account is extra annoying. Having to juggle between several emails providers, migrate, make sure I have extensions to handle trackers, etc. I just wanted emails when I open my first gmail account. Not that.
While I do appreciate what google did with gmail (it does have tremendous benefits), the cost to get that is quite important.
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#7"Fuck you forever for breaking e-mail for everyone in the world." Did, uh, anyone else understand that bit?
Gmail doesn't play well with plain text emails. Even if you manually select Plain Text to send, it still reflows lines at 78 characters by manually inserting linebreaks and adds its own special characters where it feels like. It also doesn't follow a handful of RFCs specific to email. There is no workaround for the forced hard-wrapping of lines in Plain Text. It will not let you use format=flowed either. Plain Text m…
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
I _guess_ he means that siloing email provision to a few large providers means that its harder to run your own email server without being flagged as spam.
Does he not remember how much spam we received before those sorts of upgrades? Email spam in the late 90s and early 2000s was insane. And every grandmother who plugged in their PC at the time got hit by it. "I ordered v1gr4 cheap from this business, why hasn't it shown up 4 months later?!" Sure, I guess it's harder to run your own email server, but the trade-off was virtually zero spam making its way to my inbox. I t…
But I guess that’s what you get when you use an email service from an advertising company.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
I _guess_ he means that siloing email provision to a few large providers means that its harder to run your own email server without being flagged as spam.
Does he not remember how much spam we received before those sorts of upgrades? Email spam in the late 90s and early 2000s was insane. And every grandmother who plugged in their PC at the time got hit by it. "I ordered v1gr4 cheap from this business, why hasn't it shown up 4 months later?!" Sure, I guess it's harder to run your own email server, but the trade-off was virtually zero spam making its way to my inbox. I t…
Google is all about control. They decide who is in and who is out.
And that only works when the central power is benevolent.
However we know there has never been in the history of any human structure an entity becoming the central power that stayed benevolent.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does he not remember how much spam we received before those sorts of upgrades? Email spam in the late 90s and early 2000s was insane. And every grandmother who plugged in their PC at the time got hit by it. "I ordered v1gr4 cheap from this business, why hasn't it shown up 4 months later?!" Sure, I guess it's harder to run your own email server, but the trade-off was virtually zero spam making its way to my inbox. I t…
Today it’s google that decides what spam(aka marketing emails) gets delivered to my mailbox. No matter how many times I mark some emails as spam, they always seem to find the way to my inbox. But I guess that’s what you get when you use an email service from an advertising company.