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Re: The Insecure Developer

#4

Post by Xoros »

Isn't the point of an internship to continue your formation ? How comes companies making the same tests as for recruiting for real jobs ?

"Hi, we are not going to pay you, or not very much, but please be at the same level as senior that are already working for us"

I had interns back in the day I had an office (and not working from home) and I always made them work on basic tasks under my supervision. Once I had one woman who was very good, and she worked on a website that ended in production, but most of the time the purpose was to work on internal projects that can be used even if not perfectly polished. You know, stuff you always say you're going to do some day, but you don't.

The advantages were on both sides. They learned real life cases, under my supervision, and I had the tools I didn't.

Disclaimer : I'm French so maybe my example is not relevant.

Re: The Insecure Developer

#6

Post by Xoros »

jmnicolas wrote: post #3

> What the heck means, “You aren’t diverse enough”? It means you're a white man and apparently it has become an accepted form of discrimination.

Or maybe it means that he was not "good enough" for the multiple technologies they use. Like just in one language but not all they use.

Pretty dumb at the end if you ask me.

Re: The Insecure Developer

#7

Post by eof »

Xoros wrote: post #4

Isn't the point of an internship to continue your formation ? How comes companies making the same tests as for recruiting for real jobs ? "Hi, we are not going to pay you, or not very much, but please be at the same level as senior that are already working for us" I had interns back in the day I had an office (and not working from home) and I always made them work on basic tasks under my supervision. Once I had one w…

We give coding challenges to our intern applicants, and most fail. We give different challenges and expect different levels of competency for a senior role.

Code challenges at least have the capability of being very useful. We try and present the type of problems people will have to be solving in that position; if they struggle with it and someone else excels, they have done their job.

Re: The Insecure Developer

#10

Post by jasode »

Xoros wrote: post #4

Isn't the point of an internship to continue your formation ? How comes companies making the same tests as for recruiting for real jobs ? "Hi, we are not going to pay you, or not very much, but please be at the same level as senior that are already working for us" I had interns back in the day I had an office (and not working from home) and I always made them work on basic tasks under my supervision. Once I had one w…

>How comes companies making the same tests as for recruiting for real jobs ?

1) Because desirable internships have more candidate applications than available slots. E.g. Google has 40,000 students wanting an internship but only 1500 slots.[1] With that supply & demand ratio, Google can be selective via difficult coding tests.

2) Even though internships are unpaid, companies evaluate interns to potentially offer permanent employment. If so, a company like Google would want to fill those 1500 slots with "the best" rather than randomly pull from 40000 candidates.

That's how it is at the hot tech companies. Maybe other internship programs outside of tech sectors such as Peace Corps think of interns differently.

[1] https://www.fastcompany.com/1683136/how-to-actually-land-an-...

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