Google 'segregates' women into lower-paying jobs, stifling careers, lawsuit says
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Re: Google 'segregates' women into lower-paying jobs, stifling careers, lawsuit says
#2As a former Googler: bullshit. If anything, Google gives women all the help they can possibly get, including preferential treatment during recruitment, hiring, and promotions. If this is not enough, I'm not sure what else they could do to boost the numbers of women in higher paid roles.
Re: Google 'segregates' women into lower-paying jobs, stifling careers, lawsuit says
#3I want to treat carefully as this is a hot button issue - and I'm not trying to defend Google at all but:
>>But other male software engineers who were less qualified than Ellis or at the same level were promoted into Level 4 and higher positions, according to the suit.
What is the proof that this is the case? Did Google admit that these candidates were "less qualified" than Ellis, or is it just the perception?
Just because two people graduate at the same time from the same program and have similar experience does not mean they are equally qualified.
Again, I'm not saying Google is in the right - but just because something appears one way does not make it so.
>>But Pease herself was denied a promotion to a technical position, the complaint said: “Ms Pease’s two interviewers, both men, did not ask her any technical questions, and one interviewer did not even bother to take notes of the meeting with her.”
This is the part that carries the most weight imo. It's pretty clear that interviewing processes in tech are biased at best. Maybe the course of action here is to encourage more blind interviewing processes, or bring in a larger pool of interviewers.
Its sad to see that this rampant sexism is so prevalent, especially at one of the most publicly visible companies in the world.
Re: Google 'segregates' women into lower-paying jobs, stifling careers, lawsuit says
#4As a former Googler: bullshit. If anything, Google gives women all the help they can possibly get, including preferential treatment during recruitment, hiring, and promotions. If this is not enough, I'm not sure what else they could do to boost the numbers of women in higher paid roles.
clearly the answer is to start holding men down so that woman can be equal
Re: Google 'segregates' women into lower-paying jobs, stifling careers, lawsuit says
#5As a former Googler: bullshit. If anything, Google gives women all the help they can possibly get, including preferential treatment during recruitment, hiring, and promotions. If this is not enough, I'm not sure what else they could do to boost the numbers of women in higher paid roles.
As a current Googler, I'm not seeing, or giving any preferential treatment during hiring or promotions.
The recruitment pipeline does seek out women, but they are expected to pass the same hiring bar that everyone else does.
Re: Google 'segregates' women into lower-paying jobs, stifling careers, lawsuit says
#6As a former Googler: bullshit. If anything, Google gives women all the help they can possibly get, including preferential treatment during recruitment, hiring, and promotions. If this is not enough, I'm not sure what else they could do to boost the numbers of women in higher paid roles.
As a current Googler, I'm not seeing, or giving any preferential treatment during hiring or promotions. The recruitment pipeline does seek out women, but they are expected to pass the same hiring bar that everyone else does.
In borderline hire/promote situations committees are more likely to hire (and promote) women than men. If you don't know that, you haven't been on a committee. It's not that much help, but it's help nevertheless.
Re: Google 'segregates' women into lower-paying jobs, stifling careers, lawsuit says
#7I want to treat carefully as this is a hot button issue - and I'm not trying to defend Google at all but: >>But other male software engineers who were less qualified than Ellis or at the same level were promoted into Level 4 and higher positions, according to the suit. What is the proof that this is the case? Did Google admit that these candidates were "less qualified" than Ellis, or is it just the perception? Just b…
> Did Google admit that these candidates were "less qualified" than Ellis, or is it just the perception?
My guess would be perception. Honestly though, is more "qualified" the absolute end goal of any job? Thinking back to extracurricular activities in high school or college, the most qualified person didn't always get the spot - whether it be a sport, band, cheerleading, whatever. Sometimes people who weren't the best today were still chosen because coaches and instructors saw greater potential in them. Or someone less qualified with a better personality and mindset about success and what it takes to achieve success is preferred over the more qualified person that could create division within the team. This extends to professional sports as well.
Why do we pretend likes there's one objective measure for "qualified" in employment?
Re: Google 'segregates' women into lower-paying jobs, stifling careers, lawsuit says
#8As a former Googler: bullshit. If anything, Google gives women all the help they can possibly get, including preferential treatment during recruitment, hiring, and promotions. If this is not enough, I'm not sure what else they could do to boost the numbers of women in higher paid roles.
clearly the answer is to start holding men down so that woman can be equal
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Re: Google 'segregates' women into lower-paying jobs, stifling careers, lawsuit says
#9I want to treat carefully as this is a hot button issue - and I'm not trying to defend Google at all but: >>But other male software engineers who were less qualified than Ellis or at the same level were promoted into Level 4 and higher positions, according to the suit. What is the proof that this is the case? Did Google admit that these candidates were "less qualified" than Ellis, or is it just the perception? Just b…
> Did Google admit that these candidates were "less qualified" than Ellis, or is it just the perception? My guess would be perception. Honestly though, is more "qualified" the absolute end goal of any job? Thinking back to extracurricular activities in high school or college, the most qualified person didn't always get the spot - whether it be a sport, band, cheerleading, whatever. Sometimes people who weren't the be…
Personally I believe there's more to a good hire than good-on-paper qualifications.
But when you hinge your argument and lawsuit on objective qualification then the burden of proof would lie on the accuser to prove its true.
Re: Google 'segregates' women into lower-paying jobs, stifling careers, lawsuit says
#10As a former Googler: bullshit. If anything, Google gives women all the help they can possibly get, including preferential treatment during recruitment, hiring, and promotions. If this is not enough, I'm not sure what else they could do to boost the numbers of women in higher paid roles.
clearly the answer is to start holding men down so that woman can be equal
Nobody is holding anyone down, bud. You must have mistaken my message for a complaint, I wasn't complaining. At no point did I feel held down or disenfranchised or anything like that, and I do agree that women could use a bit of extra help in a mostly male workplace.
That said, at some point I think one would need to think carefully if their outcomes are strictly the product of institutional bias, or whether there's something they need to change in themselves. Perhaps be more assertive, step up into leadership positions, speak up when they normally wouldn't, etc.
Truth of the matter is, it's very easy to blame one's misfortune on somebody or something else, but this is also the least productive thing one can do, if the goal is to achieve something and not just solicit sympathy or a legal settlement. Contrary to popular belief, things don't just fall from the heaven on (most) white men. They have to work and put themselves in precarious and uncomfortable situations to get where they want to be too.