I'm looking to build a startup in this space since I'm genuinely interested. I'd love to learn what things people feel like are missing that would make work easier when working with other teammates (doesn't have to be technical).
Ask HN: How would you improve collaboration tools?
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Re: Ask HN: How would you improve collaboration tools?
#2I think the #1 problem is too many tools.
For instance, I have collaborated with people using Skype, Discord, WebEx, Slack, IRC, Facebook Messenger, Microsoft Lync, icq, AOL Instant Messenger, Paltalk, Tivejo, Go To Meeting, etc.
People will tell you horror stories about all of those things, but I have found them all to be adequate. Often people conflate problems with their audio and network with problems in the tools. It also seems that these tools have made little technical progress over the years, I mean, Facebook Messenger doesn't seem very different from AOL Instant Messenger.
Having them all installed at once is a problem though because most of them want to live in the tray and will cause slowdowns and distractions while logging in. Today many of them are written with Electron and other cross-platform toolkits that many think are bloated for apps they use all the time, but it is insane to have five of them running in the tray.
Same is true for other kinds of collaboration tools, say case management/issue tracking. For instance, a customer of my customer submits a trouble ticket to my customer, I have my own ticket system (so I have visibility into my workload, history, etc.) and then I find the problem is because of one of my suppliers, so I have to make a ticket in their system. At least one of those systems is going to have a system with a login procedure like
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=get+smart+intro&view=de...
and take 45 seconds to load the page for creating a ticket.
At some point people give up on having it work right and just accept the problems. If you want to be a world-class remote, you can't do that.
Re: Ask HN: How would you improve collaboration tools?
#3I think the #1 problem is too many tools. For instance, I have collaborated with people using Skype, Discord, WebEx, Slack, IRC, Facebook Messenger, Microsoft Lync, icq, AOL Instant Messenger, Paltalk, Tivejo, Go To Meeting, etc. People will tell you horror stories about all of those things, but I have found them all to be adequate. Often people conflate problems with their audio and network with problems in the tool…
I was going to make the same point. If there was a (preferably web based) chat / call / video conference app that allows me to connect to all of those services and never have to keep context switching, it would be a big improvement. Maybe there is one and I just don't know about it?
As far as issue tracking, unfortunately I think the functionality and workflow differs too much between products for there to be one UI to rule them all.
There is actually one collaboration tool that has been able to work somewhat well (not without cons) across all UI implementations: email. That might be something to think about.
Re: Ask HN: How would you improve collaboration tools?
#4I think the #1 problem is too many tools. For instance, I have collaborated with people using Skype, Discord, WebEx, Slack, IRC, Facebook Messenger, Microsoft Lync, icq, AOL Instant Messenger, Paltalk, Tivejo, Go To Meeting, etc. People will tell you horror stories about all of those things, but I have found them all to be adequate. Often people conflate problems with their audio and network with problems in the tool…
This is really helpful to know. I was thinking of those tools independently but overlooked that people may be using multiple collaboration tools. The part that you mentioned with the tools being "adequate" is where I've been stuck lately. I thought building yet another collaboration tool / software could resolve some of the issues with information getting lost / ease of sharing. Seems like there is more to the problem though
Re: Ask HN: How would you improve collaboration tools?
#5I think the #1 problem is too many tools. For instance, I have collaborated with people using Skype, Discord, WebEx, Slack, IRC, Facebook Messenger, Microsoft Lync, icq, AOL Instant Messenger, Paltalk, Tivejo, Go To Meeting, etc. People will tell you horror stories about all of those things, but I have found them all to be adequate. Often people conflate problems with their audio and network with problems in the tool…
I was going to make the same point. If there was a (preferably web based) chat / call / video conference app that allows me to connect to all of those services and never have to keep context switching, it would be a big improvement. Maybe there is one and I just don't know about it? As far as issue tracking, unfortunately I think the functionality and workflow differs too much between products for there to be one UI…
That's really helpful to know, I had been considering building software geared towards lean / iterative and auto generated documentation as my initial approach into collaboration tools but I will definitely have to start expanding my research
Re: Ask HN: How would you improve collaboration tools?
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was going to make the same point. If there was a (preferably web based) chat / call / video conference app that allows me to connect to all of those services and never have to keep context switching, it would be a big improvement. Maybe there is one and I just don't know about it? As far as issue tracking, unfortunately I think the functionality and workflow differs too much between products for there to be one UI…
That's really helpful to know, I had been considering building software geared towards lean / iterative and auto generated documentation as my initial approach into collaboration tools but I will definitely have to start expanding my research
Joe, send an email to paul.houle@ontology2.com. I am working on a tool which is oriented towards auto generated documentation in the large. It is not "consumer oriented" but more like "Project Xanadu for nerds", so you might find components of it useful.
Re: Ask HN: How would you improve collaboration tools?
#7I think the #1 problem is too many tools. For instance, I have collaborated with people using Skype, Discord, WebEx, Slack, IRC, Facebook Messenger, Microsoft Lync, icq, AOL Instant Messenger, Paltalk, Tivejo, Go To Meeting, etc. People will tell you horror stories about all of those things, but I have found them all to be adequate. Often people conflate problems with their audio and network with problems in the tool…
I was going to make the same point. If there was a (preferably web based) chat / call / video conference app that allows me to connect to all of those services and never have to keep context switching, it would be a big improvement. Maybe there is one and I just don't know about it? As far as issue tracking, unfortunately I think the functionality and workflow differs too much between products for there to be one UI…
This comic strip about competing standards is quite relevant here, too: https://xkcd.com/927/
I don't think that a tool unifying all these apps is desirable nor even possible right now (because most of the protocols used are closed anyway): You'd either end up with an atrocity that tries to accommodate each feature of each of these apps or you'd have to settle for the lowest common denominator, which probably is just video, screensharing and chat. The latter might not be the worst outcome. In fact, an app that does just that could provide a superior user experience.
This begs the question though why this isn't possible with existing solutions already. Why do collaboration tool providers seem to be motivated to make their products ever more complicated or sometimes even worse than the previous version? Feature creep is a part of that problem but often collaboration tools are only seen as a small component of a more comprehensive ecosystem, as exemplified by the Skype / Skype for Business / Lync trainwreck. Skype was (and still is for the most part) an at least adequate solution. Then Microsoft bought them, intentionally made the product worse in some respects while rebranding their less-than-adequate solution Lync as Skype for Business in order to push their other enterprise products.
Why is there - as you rightly said - no common standard like email that works across all UI implementations? I think the answer to that question predominantly lies with the fact that we still have too little remote collaboration, particularly in-between organisations. As soon as remote collaboration becomes more widespread - which it inevitably will - the default even rather than the outlier we'll sooner or later have to agree on common standards just as we had to with technologies like the phone or electric power distribution.
Re: Ask HN: How would you improve collaboration tools?
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was going to make the same point. If there was a (preferably web based) chat / call / video conference app that allows me to connect to all of those services and never have to keep context switching, it would be a big improvement. Maybe there is one and I just don't know about it? As far as issue tracking, unfortunately I think the functionality and workflow differs too much between products for there to be one UI…
This comic strip about competing standards is quite relevant here, too: https://xkcd.com/927/ I don't think that a tool unifying all these apps is desirable nor even possible right now (because most of the protocols used are closed anyway): You'd either end up with an atrocity that tries to accommodate each feature of each of these apps or you'd have to settle for the lowest common denominator, which probably is just…
What would you classify as remote collaboration? When organizations are more geographically distributed, a rise in work from home / anywhere, or something else. Just trying to better understand your point of view
Re: Ask HN: How would you improve collaboration tools?
#9One thought is that a lot of the current/recent tools in this area focus of synchronous collaboration. And it's not clear to me that sending your collaborators a regular stream of non-maskable interrupts is the best route to great products or ideas. So how about some tools that promote asynchronous collaboration?
Not 100% sure what the next stage is, though. I personally find e-mail a pretty good medium for having a considered discussion -- but it doesn't seem to work that way for everyone. Maybe an opportunity there?
Re: Ask HN: How would you improve collaboration tools?
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
This comic strip about competing standards is quite relevant here, too: https://xkcd.com/927/ I don't think that a tool unifying all these apps is desirable nor even possible right now (because most of the protocols used are closed anyway): You'd either end up with an atrocity that tries to accommodate each feature of each of these apps or you'd have to settle for the lowest common denominator, which probably is just…
What would you classify as remote collaboration? When organizations are more geographically distributed, a rise in work from home / anywhere, or something else. Just trying to better understand your point of view
Well, both actually.
Organizations will have to decentralise in order to continue to be able to compete, grow and scale. Larger organisations, which for the most part already are distributed, will have to become even more distributed to keep up.
The big differentiator in my opinion however will be the individual's ability to work from anywhere. Not only do companies around the world spend ridiculous amounts of money on keeping everyone in the same office, there to pretend to be 'working', but nobody also seems to be willing to actually talk about the elephant in the room when it comes to environmental issues and keeping our cities from collapsing: Commuting.
Doing away with the need to commute could be a large contributing factor to fighting global warming. Yet we as a society are mostly ignoring this while at the same time seriously talking about abusing automated driving to allow people to commute even more.