Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC
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Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC
#2Node community is going to argue its way into obscurity.
Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC
#3I don't particularly understand the claims against this man, but as this organization and its discussions happen (almost) entirely online [is this correct?], surely it must be incredibly obvious whether or not allegations brought against him are true or not?
Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC
#4Having reviewed the relevant tweets/GitHub issues/blog posts, I feel most of the noise is generated by people who make it their mission to find things about which to be outraged.
The NodeJS brand has the momentum necessary to build great things. If they squander it by cry-wolf-forking every time there is an internal disagreement, another JS engine (e.g. Chakra) will take the helm.
Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC
#5Node community is going to argue its way into obscurity.
While the snark of this comment may push it into obscurity by those who hate snarky comments, I totally agree. I was surprised we could even still have Node.js after the huge Node.js vs io.js debacle. I think all of these arguments are about important issues, but they also can give a very negative impression to outsiders (not to mention how insiders aware of all the facts may feel).
That said, I am at least happy to see a he's going for a middle ground - he seems to be saying he won't step down, but he also looks like he's apologizing for anything he did wrong. Perhaps that's the best way to end the argument despite it not 100% pleasing either side
Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC
#6Shame how such a cool project as node.js can drown in political fingerpointing. The only measurement that counts (in my opinion) is cold hard code contributions.
Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC
#7Shame how such a cool project as node.js can drown in political fingerpointing. The only measurement that counts (in my opinion) is cold hard code contributions.
That sounds nice until you think about it -- what code are you writing? Who decided on the the feature you're writing? Who's writing the docs, and tutorials, and putting together conferences and paying bills and maintaining tax status and filing paperwork, and...?
Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC
#8Node community is going to argue its way into obscurity.
While the snark of this comment may push it into obscurity by those who hate snarky comments, I totally agree. I was surprised we could even still have Node.js after the huge Node.js vs io.js debacle. I think all of these arguments are about important issues, but they also can give a very negative impression to outsiders (not to mention how insiders aware of all the facts may feel). That said, I am at least happy to…
It's the only adult thing for him to do, considering that he didn't even know that people were offended.
Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC
#9Are long-winded quarrels and dysfunctions unique to node core, or is node core just transparent in documenting the making of the sausage?
Re: Rod Vagg's statement on the request to be removed from the Node.js CTC
#10Shame how such a cool project as node.js can drown in political fingerpointing. The only measurement that counts (in my opinion) is cold hard code contributions.
I fully agree that it sounds awful for a project to go down due to politics. But only paying attention to code reviews ignores how the community feels, as well as non-code work. For example, look at Rod Vagg's contributions to node: https://github.com/nodejs/node/commits?author=rvagg
At least from the first page, it seems he's mostly working on documentation, specifically changelogs. But honestly, those changelogs are fantastic and definitely make a difference in my life (I don't want to comb through tons of commits to figure out what has changed between versions of Node). It might not be code per se, but the contribution is noticeable.
Even if all you do is make people feel welcome in a community or bring people in, those are still worthwhile (new people can mean more code). And if you're an amazing programmer but make everyone want to leave the project, one can see how that would also affect the code (contributors leaving).