Liu Xiaobo, Nobel laureate and political prisoner, dies at 61 in Chinese custody
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Re: Liu Xiaobo, Nobel laureate and political prisoner, dies at 61 in Chinese custody
#2He may have died of Cancer, but while being denied proper care, serving an 11 year prison sentence for what amounts to an attempt of speech. And its censorship appears to have mostly worked for its intended audience. Truly a sad conclusion.
Re: Liu Xiaobo, Nobel laureate and political prisoner, dies at 61 in Chinese custody
#3For all the criticism that the USA is receiving recently, I am sure the world would be a worse place if China was the most influential country in the world (which they are trying become) instead of the USA.
Re: Liu Xiaobo, Nobel laureate and political prisoner, dies at 61 in Chinese custody
#4He is the only noble laureate died in jail after world war II. The one before him was died in a jail of nazi Germany.
Re: Liu Xiaobo, Nobel laureate and political prisoner, dies at 61 in Chinese custody
#5For all the criticism that the USA is receiving recently, I am sure the world would be a worse place if China was the most influential country in the world (which they are trying become) instead of the USA.
It truly infuriates me when people insinuate that it would be A-Okay for the U.S. to cease to be the sole military superpower in the world. That change alone would trigger world war 3. I say this from Canada.
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Re: Liu Xiaobo, Nobel laureate and political prisoner, dies at 61 in Chinese custody
#6For all the criticism that the USA is receiving recently, I am sure the world would be a worse place if China was the most influential country in the world (which they are trying become) instead of the USA.
China kills people for speech. The US kills people for being poor and/or black. There's no shortage of cheerleaders for this in either country.
I have to note that most people will find it easier to control what they say, than to change their skin colour.
Re: Liu Xiaobo, Nobel laureate and political prisoner, dies at 61 in Chinese custody
#7For all the criticism that the USA is receiving recently, I am sure the world would be a worse place if China was the most influential country in the world (which they are trying become) instead of the USA.
China kills people for speech. The US kills people for being poor and/or black. There's no shortage of cheerleaders for this in either country. I have to note that most people will find it easier to control what they say, than to change their skin colour.
> The US kills people for being poor and/or black.
The United States does not kill people for being poor and black. Poor black people kill poor black people for being poor and black. Overwhelmingly so; ask anyone who keeps or audits vital statistics.
You can stand around saying that there is some historical basis for this cultural problem, but telling people that whitey is keeping them down is a sure way not to solve any problems.
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Re: Liu Xiaobo, Nobel laureate and political prisoner, dies at 61 in Chinese custody
#8He may have died of Cancer, but while being denied proper care, serving an 11 year prison sentence for what amounts to an attempt of speech. And its censorship appears to have mostly worked for its intended audience. Truly a sad conclusion.
It's true, hardly anyone inside China is even aware of his existence.
That said, I've seen direct references to him (and even photos of him) from activist friends in my WeChat feed, which surprises me a bit. I would have thought the WeChat censors would have been working overtime this week...
Re: Liu Xiaobo, Nobel laureate and political prisoner, dies at 61 in Chinese custody
#9For all the criticism that the USA is receiving recently, I am sure the world would be a worse place if China was the most influential country in the world (which they are trying become) instead of the USA.
China kills people for speech. The US kills people for being poor and/or black. There's no shortage of cheerleaders for this in either country. I have to note that most people will find it easier to control what they say, than to change their skin colour.
A key difference, of course, being that political resistance to oppression in the U.S. is active, vigorous and protected by law, and does not require a violent, wholesale dismantling of the state apparatus.
Re: Liu Xiaobo, Nobel laureate and political prisoner, dies at 61 in Chinese custody
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
China kills people for speech. The US kills people for being poor and/or black. There's no shortage of cheerleaders for this in either country. I have to note that most people will find it easier to control what they say, than to change their skin colour.
A key difference, of course, being that political resistance to oppression in the U.S. is active, vigorous and protected by law, and does not require a violent, wholesale dismantling of the state apparatus.
And it may actually get there. It might not, though - it certainly didn't during the Civil Rights movement (Although enormous steps were taken during it). I'm speaking about the situation, as is, not what it might be.
Also, many Americans are currently under the impression that the current state of civil rights protests is violent, and should be repressed. Government and police often share that viewpoint.