IPhone =/= Debian app

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Post by telemachos » Fri, Jun 18, 2010, 10:42 PM UTC

Re: IPhone =/= Debian app

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Post by mortenjorck » Fri, Jun 18, 2010, 11:39 PM UTC

Yes, just like the dot com boom, this growth is unsustainable.

But again, just like the dot com boom, once the market has matured to blow away the chaff, what remains will have proven pretty game-changing.

Re: IPhone =/= Debian app

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Post by einarvollset » Fri, Jun 18, 2010, 11:41 PM UTC

Ehum.. What? Yeah there were a lot of shit webpages back in the day, but there was also what became came ebay, facebook, google, etc, etc.

I don't see a lot of debian apps doing better than facebook..

Re: IPhone =/= Debian app

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Post by jonursenbach » Fri, Jun 18, 2010, 11:44 PM UTC

einarvollset wrote: post #3

Ehum.. What? Yeah there were a lot of shit webpages back in the day, but there was also what became came ebay, facebook, google, etc, etc. I don't see a lot of debian apps doing better than facebook..

You completely missed the point of the article.

Re: IPhone =/= Debian app

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Post by pyre » Fri, Jun 18, 2010, 11:58 PM UTC

einarvollset wrote: post #3

Ehum.. What? Yeah there were a lot of shit webpages back in the day, but there was also what became came ebay, facebook, google, etc, etc. I don't see a lot of debian apps doing better than facebook..

Though eBay and Google were, Facebook was not part of the DotCom bubble.

Maybe I'm just overlooking it, but I'm not seeing a claim that Debian is or was more successful than any company that was founded during the DotCom bubble.

Re: IPhone =/= Debian app

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Post by mralbie » Sat, Jun 19, 2010, 12:01 AM UTC

These worthless apps are also a cost to Apple. It is getting harder and harder to find quality apps on the App Store. The Store itself is now (a) the 'Featured' page, (b) the 'Top Ten' lists, and (c) Apple's 'Collections'. The more difficult it is to find quality apps the more difficult it will be for the ecosystem as a whole to improve.

Are there other examples of online stores with vast selections which genuinely help users find quality products? Netflix is the only one I can think of. (And don't get me started on Apple's 'Genius Recommendations'.)

Re: IPhone =/= Debian app

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Post by codeflo » Sat, Jun 19, 2010, 12:02 AM UTC

That's true, iPhone apps aren't like Debian packages at all. iPhone apps are self-contained, sandboxed, can only access data that I allow them to, and if I delete them, every trace of them is gone. A Debian package on the other hand first of all has to pull 57 other packages in order to even work, each of which splatters hundreds of files of all kinds all over my filesystem, and if I uninstall a package, I can rest assured that at least two dozen configuration files remain abandoned somewhere in /etc. I'm not sure how someone could confuse the two.

Re: IPhone =/= Debian app

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Post by mikecane » Sat, Jun 19, 2010, 12:07 AM UTC

mortenjorck wrote: post #2

Yes, just like the dot com boom, this growth is unsustainable. But again, just like the dot com boom, once the market has matured to blow away the chaff, what remains will have proven pretty game-changing.

I keep wondering why Jobs keeps pushing HTML5. He too must realize the unsustainability of it all. A collapse has to happen -- and then how many "real" apps will remain for sale? And how many devs will migrate to the web where they don't have to have the approval of Apple or Google or any other hardware maker in order to create and publicize/sell something?

Re: IPhone =/= Debian app

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Post by telemachos » Sat, Jun 19, 2010, 12:10 AM UTC

codeflo wrote: post #7

That's true, iPhone apps aren't like Debian packages at all. iPhone apps are self-contained, sandboxed, can only access data that I allow them to, and if I delete them, every trace of them is gone. A Debian package on the other hand first of all has to pull 57 other packages in order to even work, each of which splatters hundreds of files of all kinds all over my filesystem, and if I uninstall a package, I can rest a…

FUD:

    # remove package, its dependents _and_ purge config files

    aptitude purge 

    # purge config files from items that were removed but not purged

    aptitude purge ~c

And, to play Devil's advocate the other way around, because Debian's tools are not sandboxed, they can inter-operate sanely. You can, you know, share things, print them, move them around. It's as if - shocking - you own your own data. Imagine that.

I work pretty regularly with both Debian and OSX. They both have areas where they excel. I think you're being pretty simplistic.

Re: IPhone =/= Debian app

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Post by einarvollset » Sat, Jun 19, 2010, 12:14 AM UTC

pyre wrote: post #5

einarvollset wrote: post #3

Ehum.. What? Yeah there were a lot of shit webpages back in the day, but there was also what became came ebay, facebook, google, etc, etc. I don't see a lot of debian apps doing better than facebook..

Though eBay and Google were, Facebook was not part of the DotCom bubble. Maybe I'm just overlooking it, but I'm not seeing a claim that Debian is or was more successful than any company that was founded during the DotCom bubble.

Nor do I make any claim about Debian...