Ask HN: Your thoughts on contract-to-hire jobs?

#1

Post by toexitthedonut » Tue, May 23, 2017, 7:39 PM UTC

I've seen some people say that contract-to-hire jobs what incompetent programmers take, but I don't really see the connection between that and your programming ability. Nor how they have a lower bar for hiring than full-time or contract-only jobs. Are the words in CTH usually weasel words?

I prefer full-time only jobs but personally, I'd be willing to work a CTH job for a major tech company. If I get an offer for a CTH job I would treat it as a contract-only job (in the sense that I'd be contractor right at this moment) and therefore ask for contractor rates.

Re: Ask HN: Your thoughts on contract-to-hire jobs?

#2

Post by smt88 » Tue, May 23, 2017, 7:41 PM UTC

Contract-to-hire can be good for both parties. You want to find the right fit (and that goes both ways) before embarking on a long-term employment relationship. CTH can be a great solution for that. When possible, my companies use CTH (2- or 4-week contract) instead of weeks of unpaid interviews.

Re: Ask HN: Your thoughts on contract-to-hire jobs?

#3

Post by itamarst » Tue, May 23, 2017, 7:49 PM UTC

I know some people have successfully gotten good jobs that way. Presumably some of these are awful companies.

Since you're not getting job security or benefits you should very definitely be charging more.

(I've gone from consulting for company to being an employee, actually - didn't start as CTH, just it's a good way for both sides to get to know each other.)

Re: Ask HN: Your thoughts on contract-to-hire jobs?

#4

Post by toexitthedonut » Tue, May 23, 2017, 7:55 PM UTC

smt88 wrote: post #2

Contract-to-hire can be good for both parties. You want to find the right fit (and that goes both ways) before embarking on a long-term employment relationship. CTH can be a great solution for that. When possible, my companies use CTH (2- or 4-week contract) instead of weeks of unpaid interviews.

The CTH offers I have taken in the past paid less per hour than a salaried employee would. They lasted over a year. Also for one of those employers, they wanted to hire me as a sort of consultant role (it was never formally called 'consultant' they just have me on an on-project basis) that paid $2/hr more than the CTH jobs.

Re: Ask HN: Your thoughts on contract-to-hire jobs?

#5

Post by smt88 » Wed, May 24, 2017, 12:42 AM UTC

toexitthedonut wrote: post #4

smt88 wrote: post #2

Contract-to-hire can be good for both parties. You want to find the right fit (and that goes both ways) before embarking on a long-term employment relationship. CTH can be a great solution for that. When possible, my companies use CTH (2- or 4-week contract) instead of weeks of unpaid interviews.

The CTH offers I have taken in the past paid less per hour than a salaried employee would. They lasted over a year. Also for one of those employers, they wanted to hire me as a sort of consultant role (it was never formally called 'consultant' they just have me on an on-project basis) that paid $2/hr more than the CTH jobs.

That sounds exploitative and possibly illegal.

Re: Ask HN: Your thoughts on contract-to-hire jobs?

#6

Post by toexitthedonut » Wed, May 24, 2017, 8:12 PM UTC

smt88 wrote: post #5

toexitthedonut wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CTH offers I have taken in the past paid less per hour than a salaried employee would. They lasted over a year. Also for one of those employers, they wanted to hire me as a sort of consultant role (it was never formally called 'consultant' they just have me on an on-project basis) that paid $2/hr more than the CTH jobs.

That sounds exploitative and possibly illegal.

Well it's interesting then, that I have come across more situations like that, working as a software engineer, than when I was doing typical retail jobs. The software industry sure is great, isn't it.