Notes from an Emergency [video]

At it's core this is essentially like sponsorship. Anecdote : I've always found sponsored content more useful than the ads that ad networks show me and they are also not creepy like traditional ads. Eg- I search for strawberries on google, click through a few links. Separately I visit a tech blog to learn about how to monitor a VPS, guess what shows up on a site about servers and software? Strawberries! Creepy as f*uck and completely out of place.

Do you think an ad network that focuses on targeting content rather than users will work? Are there any such networks already? If not, it's time to build one.

Re: Notes from an Emergency [video]

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Post by Animats » Sat, May 20, 2017, 4:53 PM UTC

gcr wrote: post #3

Animats wrote: post #2

Summary?

Here's a transcript of the talk: http://idlewords.com/talks/notes_from_an_emergency.htm

"The emergency I want to talk about is the rise of a vigorous ethnic nationalism in Europe and America. This nationalism makes skillful use of online tools, tools that we believed inherently promoted freedom, to advance an authoritarian agenda. ...

There are five Internet companies — Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon and Facebook. Together they have a market capitalization just under 3 trillion dollars.

And please regulate, regulate, regulate this industry, while you can."

The trouble for calling for regulation is that what you get is Theresa May's version.[1] Or the Great Firewall of China.

[1] http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/new...

Re: Notes from an Emergency [video]

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Post by dkarapetyan » Sat, May 20, 2017, 5:12 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #5

gcr wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a transcript of the talk: http://idlewords.com/talks/notes_from_an_emergency.htm

"The emergency I want to talk about is the rise of a vigorous ethnic nationalism in Europe and America. This nationalism makes skillful use of online tools, tools that we believed inherently promoted freedom, to advance an authoritarian agenda. ... There are five Internet companies — Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon and Facebook. Together they have a market capitalization just under 3 trillion dollars. And please reg…

The trouble with not regulating is what we currently have, unfettered data collection and retention. There obviously need to be rules around all the digital gold these companies are amassing.

The Chinese and Theresa May want what currently the tech giants have which is unregulated access to data. Except instead of it being in the current sandboxes they want to build their own.

Both are equally incorrect and stem from unregulated data access and lack of rules around data aggregation and the ecosystems that the data props up.

Re: Notes from an Emergency [video]

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Post by digi_owl » Sat, May 20, 2017, 5:23 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #5

gcr wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a transcript of the talk: http://idlewords.com/talks/notes_from_an_emergency.htm

"The emergency I want to talk about is the rise of a vigorous ethnic nationalism in Europe and America. This nationalism makes skillful use of online tools, tools that we believed inherently promoted freedom, to advance an authoritarian agenda. ... There are five Internet companies — Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon and Facebook. Together they have a market capitalization just under 3 trillion dollars. And please reg…

Talking about the great firewall, didn't Bono of all people praise it as a demonstration that filtering the net was possible? His statement was in the context of unlicensed copying (aka piracy).

And frankly if they want to deal with the rise of nationalism, they need to have a long hard look at the financial market and their destructive behavior.

What is needed is for the big finance houses to fall, and for the Euro zone to drop the whole austerity insanity.

Until then the left have no proper counterpoint to the rising nationalism, as said nationalism is largely feeding off anti-austerity, and thus anti-EU, opinions.

Re: Notes from an Emergency [video]

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Post by neom » Sat, May 20, 2017, 5:26 PM UTC

This paper, Natural Monopoly and Its Regulation Richard A. Posner (1968) gives a really good overview of how (and why) this might play out. http://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic...

Re: Notes from an Emergency [video]

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Post by maxerickson » Sat, May 20, 2017, 5:32 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #5

gcr wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a transcript of the talk: http://idlewords.com/talks/notes_from_an_emergency.htm

"The emergency I want to talk about is the rise of a vigorous ethnic nationalism in Europe and America. This nationalism makes skillful use of online tools, tools that we believed inherently promoted freedom, to advance an authoritarian agenda. ... There are five Internet companies — Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon and Facebook. Together they have a market capitalization just under 3 trillion dollars. And please reg…

A simple workaround is to regulate the collection, storage and use of personally identifiable information.

There's nothing especially horrifying about Facebook not being allowed to use demographic profile information to target advertising.

Re: Notes from an Emergency [video]

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Post by jakozaur » Sat, May 20, 2017, 5:43 PM UTC

Celgowski got one of the most original and accurate view of the world. He see the big picture.