At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males
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Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males
#2> The Facebook analysis took into account engineers’ “level” within the company and found “no statistically significant difference” between female and male engineers within the same level.
> Parikh attributed the difference that the original analysis found to “the difference in gender distribution between levels”, meaning the fact that Facebook has more female engineers at lower levels than higher levels.
This is a case of damned if you do damned if you don't. If they try to artificially increase gender diversity then this is an expected outcome.
So now we've created more artificial diversity do we have to extend the gender discrimination so that women are treated differently in the code review stage as well?
Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males
#3Sexism against women is real. Just look at movies. Audiences for blockbuster Hollywood movies are almost completely mixed. But how many leads and stars are male versus female?
And this is movies. This is a fictional world. This is where you can rewrite the rules and depict the world as you would like to show it. But Hollywood still shows more men in lead roles than women.
So the representation of women on screen is not equal to the representation of women in real life. But it could be. And it's not even equal to an ideal representation of women based on equality. But it could be. Because it's a movie you can make it however you want to make it.
Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males
#4isn't this a hopelessly entangled measurement?
Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males
#5Last year, a study of coders on the open source repository GitHub found that code written by women was actually more likely to be approved by fellow coders than code written by men – but only if the female coders hid their gender. Female coders with profiles that made their gender “identifiable” had their code rejected more often than male coders.
That study has been so thoroughly debunked at this point that I'm inclined to assume bad faith on the part of any journalist who cites it.
Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males
#6> The Facebook analysis took into account engineers’ “level” within the company and found “no statistically significant difference” between female and male engineers within the same level. > Parikh attributed the difference that the original analysis found to “the difference in gender distribution between levels”, meaning the fact that Facebook has more female engineers at lower levels than higher levels. This is a c…
Surely the fact that skills are equal within levels yet more men get promoted is a problem? You seem to be implying that promoting more women would be diversity for diversity's sake, but the data suggests that it would address an imbalance that has nothing to do with skill.
Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males
#7Sexism against women is real. Just look at movies. Audiences for blockbuster Hollywood movies are almost completely mixed. But how many leads and stars are male versus female? And this is movies. This is a fictional world. This is where you can rewrite the rules and depict the world as you would like to show it. But Hollywood still shows more men in lead roles than women. So the representation of women on screen is n…
My guess to an explanation of this phenomenon would be that guys don't really watch many movies with women leads, but the inverse is not true.
Is this true?
Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males
#8Sexism against women is real. Just look at movies. Audiences for blockbuster Hollywood movies are almost completely mixed. But how many leads and stars are male versus female? And this is movies. This is a fictional world. This is where you can rewrite the rules and depict the world as you would like to show it. But Hollywood still shows more men in lead roles than women. So the representation of women on screen is n…
I you sure it is no real representation? Last I checked male leads outnumbered females in real world too.
Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males
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Re: At Facebook female engineers have their code rejected 35% more than males
#10> The Facebook analysis took into account engineers’ “level” within the company and found “no statistically significant difference” between female and male engineers within the same level. > Parikh attributed the difference that the original analysis found to “the difference in gender distribution between levels”, meaning the fact that Facebook has more female engineers at lower levels than higher levels. This is a c…
Surely the fact that skills are equal within levels yet more men get promoted is a problem? You seem to be implying that promoting more women would be diversity for diversity's sake, but the data suggests that it would address an imbalance that has nothing to do with skill.
> Surely the fact that skills are equal within levels yet more men get promoted is a problem?
Only if you started with an even distribution. If the workforce was 20% female today but only 10% a few years ago then you would expect fewer women at higher levels.
> You seem to be implying that promoting more women would be diversity for diversity's sake, but the data suggests that it would address an imbalance that has nothing to do with skill.
That's interesting in it's own right, but it could suggest a lot of things, like the ability of their outreach programs to attract the best female talent.