Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC

#1

Post by ausjke » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 5:22 PM UTC

Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC
devuan.org

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC

#2

Post by mtanski » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 6:17 PM UTC

Does anybody really care? It took a long enough to get an RC out (3 years).

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC

#3

Post by jwn » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 6:18 PM UTC

Anyone care to explain why SystemD is so contentious to the point it's worth forking Debian?

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC

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Post by Proven » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 6:18 PM UTC

jwn wrote: post #3

Anyone care to explain why SystemD is so contentious to the point it's worth forking Debian?

Why? Google it.

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC

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Post by Sphax » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 6:19 PM UTC

mtanski wrote: post #2

Does anybody really care? It took a long enough to get an RC out (3 years).

Exactly. I hope this doesn't gain traction because last thing I want as someone just writing services is dealing with sysvinit

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC

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Post by Proven » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 6:20 PM UTC

I like it, but it's been a long wait.

It seems only x64 at first.

Devuan will do okay. Simple and stable distros will always have loyal users.

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC

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Post by yuhong » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 6:22 PM UTC

jwn wrote: post #3

Anyone care to explain why SystemD is so contentious to the point it's worth forking Debian?

Thinking about it, Kay Sievers is probably worse than Pottering. Of course, there is David Strauss too: https://www.agwa.name/blog/post/systemd_is_not_magic_securit...

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC

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Post by _delirium » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 6:22 PM UTC

Isn't systemd still optional in Debian? I know there is worry that since it's the default, packages won't necessarily be well-tested without it, but afaik you can still remove it, just by installing sysvinit: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_Stretch

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC

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Post by zitterbewegung » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 6:24 PM UTC

jwn wrote: post #3

Anyone care to explain why SystemD is so contentious to the point it's worth forking Debian?

People who oppose SystemD dislike the fact that it takes on two much responsibilities and unneeded complexity as an init system. People who like it accept the added responsibilities and complexity because it has widespread adoption and works .

Re: Devuan Jessie 1.0 RC

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Post by eropple » Fri, Apr 21, 2017, 6:32 PM UTC

_delirium wrote: post #8

Isn't systemd still optional in Debian? I know there is worry that since it's the default, packages won't necessarily be well-tested without it, but afaik you can still remove it, just by installing sysvinit: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_Stretch

I had the same reaction to the initial announcement of a fork, and it's taken three years to get to an RC.

(The whole systemd tempest in the tiniest, most awkward of teacups never made a lick of sense to me--in no small part because, like 99% of people, the only time I ever interact with it is when I throw a service declaration out there, and Noah Kantrowitz's fantastic `poise-service` Chef cookbook abstracts that away for me.)