Living a Lie: We Deceive Ourselves to Better Deceive Others

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Post by brahmwg » Fri, Apr 07, 2017, 10:10 PM UTC

Living a Lie: We Deceive Ourselves to Better Deceive Others
scientificamerican.com

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Post by lngnmn » Sat, Apr 08, 2017, 2:42 PM UTC

Sure. How else one could get married?

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Post by thedevil » Sat, Apr 08, 2017, 2:53 PM UTC

I always knew that lying to oneself is a good planned strategy for lying.

But never thought that our natural tendency to deceive ourselves might have the ultimate purpose of helping us deceive others.

This is why I love hacker news. I get a different perspective every day that (whether it's right or wrong) forces me to re-consider my mental models of the world.

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Post by apapli » Sat, Apr 08, 2017, 3:37 PM UTC

From the wisdom of George in Seinfeld, when Jerry is seeking advice before sitting a lie detector test: "Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it."

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Post by creed0r » Sat, Apr 08, 2017, 4:03 PM UTC

This is especially poisonous in computer science and research and I see it every single day. I think it's because we don't share a global system that sort of guarantees the same general settings for everybody.

The older sciences basically try to reverse engineer the physical system that is our universe but we in CS just build anything we think is cool and then write a paper about it.

Therefore reproducability in CS is at all time low. Nobody reconstructs any experiment. But everybody thinks he's the next Lamport, or the next .

We deceive ourselves into thinking that what we're doing is science (and then convince everyone around us) when in reality all we do is emulate progress by busy waiting and burning resources.

:/

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Post by archvile » Sat, Apr 08, 2017, 4:27 PM UTC

apapli wrote: post #4

From the wisdom of George in Seinfeld, when Jerry is seeking advice before sitting a lie detector test: "Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it."

The Phantom Pain taught me this as well.

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Post by eli_gottlieb » Sat, Apr 08, 2017, 4:34 PM UTC

Well, this sure explains why I suck so hard at lying.

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Post by lkrubner » Sat, Apr 08, 2017, 4:39 PM UTC

Slightly off-topic, but it is worth noting how unusual Robert Trivers acted in this case. Can anyone think of another interesting hypothesis that was put forward in the Foreword of someone else's book? In his own introduction, Dawkins remarks on how unusual this is, and his tone can be read as amusement, but also perhaps a little bit of annoyance.

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Post by aluminussoma » Sat, Apr 08, 2017, 4:45 PM UTC

apapli wrote: post #4

From the wisdom of George in Seinfeld, when Jerry is seeking advice before sitting a lie detector test: "Jerry, just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it."

Also, the saying, "Fake it 'til you make it".

The study looked at perceived athleticism. I wonder if the same could be said about entrepreneurship?