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Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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This is why real journalist need to be protected regardless where you stand on the issues. It's a pillar of democracy for a very important reason.

Agreed, but let's make that even more general. No need to limit that to "real journalists", since then you're just asking for people to build an ivory tower and use it as a power base for control of "non-real" "journalists".

Everyone needs to be free to speak their minds. Freedom of speech is for everyone.

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This is why real journalist need to be protected regardless where you stand on the issues. It's a pillar of democracy for a very important reason.

The problem is that these days, everyone has a different definition of "real journalist," and the group of people who fit that definition tend to be strongly correlated with the group of people who agree with the definer politically.

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post #3

This is why real journalist need to be protected regardless where you stand on the issues. It's a pillar of democracy for a very important reason.

Agreed, but let's make that even more general. No need to limit that to "real journalists", since then you're just asking for people to build an ivory tower and use it as a power base for control of "non-real" "journalists". Everyone needs to be free to speak their minds. Freedom of speech is for everyone.

Journalists need more than freedom of speech, they also need freedom to investigate. I suspect handing that to everyone is still ok, but speech is not enough.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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> The committee reported that since 1992, 38 journalists have been killed with the motives for the slayings confirmed as reprisals for their work. Based on that figure, the group ranked Mexico as No. 11 of the 20 deadliest countries for journalists.

I cannot imagine living in a country where posting something online, like a silly blog post, risks my life.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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post #3

This is why real journalist need to be protected regardless where you stand on the issues. It's a pillar of democracy for a very important reason.

Agreed, but let's make that even more general. No need to limit that to "real journalists", since then you're just asking for people to build an ivory tower and use it as a power base for control of "non-real" "journalists". Everyone needs to be free to speak their minds. Freedom of speech is for everyone.

Exactly. And "Freedom of Speech" is a broad term, with a wide variety of implications. Freedom of speech also means being able to channel ideas that aren't as popular and most of the mainstream media may not agree with. People should be able to express those ideas as well.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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This is why real journalist need to be protected regardless where you stand on the issues. It's a pillar of democracy for a very important reason.

Minor nit: where I live, we have freedom of the press. We do not have a special class of people called journalists.

You have the right to publish anything you like without fear of retribution from the government or anybody else. This, along with the freedom to assemble, allows minority opinions to flourish through peaceful persuasion. It also allows sunlight into actions of criminals and the government.

The crime against humanity here is that these folks do not feel safe to publish. Not that there are journalists being threatened. That's just the current method being used to shut the presses down. There are plenty of other methods that outside organizations use to shut down publishing -- burning buildings, violence against readers, blackmailing editors, having the government buy the presses, and so on. For every Mexico, there are several other countries where the presses have effectively been shut down -- only not so dramatically as this. That's actually a much worse situation.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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This is why real journalist need to be protected regardless where you stand on the issues. It's a pillar of democracy for a very important reason.

One wonders how many "real journalists" in USA will see this sad event as an occasion to bask in the reflected glory of those who really have spoken truth to power, and how many will instead call out the actual reason that gangsters have power: USA's foolish and evil drug prohibition.
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