“Hello, (real) world” in PHP in 2017
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“Hello, (real) world” in PHP in 2017
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Re: “Hello, (real) world” in PHP in 2017
#2This seems like a decent primer for someone who already has their heads wrapped around application development, but absolutely horrid for someone who wants to pick up a web language for the first time and create that first simple output.
That first simple output IMO is critical for retention and engaging the language knowing exactly what you're going to get by looking at dirt simple code like echo hello world; at least it was for me as PHP was one of my very first languages
The intent is well meaning in this "real world" hello world, but I feel like taking the espoused mentality in the opening paragraph, one is throwing construction tools at a toddler who asked for a box of legos for christmas.
Curious what others think
Re: “Hello, (real) world” in PHP in 2017
#3Maybe I am old fashioned and outdated. I don't know about anyone else, but it makes me pretty sad that the "modern" way as presented in this article is no longer simple and straightforward and has some severe dependency hell.
Not that I'm saying the structure of modern web applications isn't needed and that we haven't advanced. Just that the overhead and knowledge required to set up a modern web application is crazy.
I am working on a larger .NET web application in my day job... and it requires things like.. Typescript + typings files, Webpack/Gulp/Grunt/etc. and therefore Node.js and NPM, NuGet, .NET Framework, onion architecture, front-end framework (Angular, or React, or..), Entity Framework, multiple databases, web services/web API, ASP.NET MVC.. I mean, it's just crazy if you step back and think about it.
Sometimes I long for the simpler "bad old days"? Oh well, back to my enterprise single page application framework-laden monster.
DISCLAIMER: I know we're better off today in many ways, and maybe I'm just getting older and the cognitive load is higher.
Re: “Hello, (real) world” in PHP in 2017
#4This seems like a decent primer for someone who already has their heads wrapped around application development, but absolutely horrid for someone who wants to pick up a web language for the first time and create that first simple output. That first simple output IMO is critical for retention and engaging the language knowing exactly what you're going to get by looking at dirt simple code like echo hello world; at lea…
You do realise this article wasn't written as a beginner's tutorial but as a sarcastic view of modern web dev?
Re: “Hello, (real) world” in PHP in 2017
#5I don't mind this article as long as it's classified as satire.
Re: “Hello, (real) world” in PHP in 2017
#6Ahahaha I legitimately cannot tell if this is a sarcastic blog post. To me it just sounds like such a joke. It's quite confusing.
I hope it's a joke...
Re: “Hello, (real) world” in PHP in 2017
#7Ahahaha I legitimately cannot tell if this is a sarcastic blog post. To me it just sounds like such a joke. It's quite confusing. I hope it's a joke...
I think this is a realistic reflection on the state of this area in our industry. It is both sarcastic/a joke and not a joke at all.
Re: “Hello, (real) world” in PHP in 2017
#8Maybe I am old fashioned and outdated. I don't know about anyone else, but it makes me pretty sad that the "modern" way as presented in this article is no longer simple and straightforward and has some severe dependency hell. Not that I'm saying the structure of modern web applications isn't needed and that we haven't advanced. Just that the overhead and knowledge required to set up a modern web application is crazy.…
I definitely agree with you. And we are better off compared to the hack-hell it was when you were doing [0] (yes, that is still the tutorial), but I feel we are still finding our ways very much. If the progression from the old 'install and start developing and deploying' to the current brittleness and dependency hell is going to continue into the future, I will find something else to do :)
Re: “Hello, (real) world” in PHP in 2017
#9Maybe I am old fashioned and outdated. I don't know about anyone else, but it makes me pretty sad that the "modern" way as presented in this article is no longer simple and straightforward and has some severe dependency hell. Not that I'm saying the structure of modern web applications isn't needed and that we haven't advanced. Just that the overhead and knowledge required to set up a modern web application is crazy.…
It's usually not advisable, but I genuinely think classical CGI is beautiful mechanism for dynamically generated pages. It's a natural extension of Unix scripting: shebang'd scripts in any language, environment variables, stdout. Job's a good'un.
Re: “Hello, (real) world” in PHP in 2017
#10Call me old fashioned but I prefer my code naked, plain php and postgres, nothing else, not even JS. So for me, echo 'Hello world' is good enough.