Liberals on the Edge of a Nervous Breakdown
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Liberals on the Edge of a Nervous Breakdown
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#2Today on Hacker News I learned what a demagogue is.
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#3I thought that when Trump won, the left would finally realize that being arrogant, lying, authoritarians was a mistake. Boy was I wrong.
We're seeing thousands protest over travel restrictions from 9 countries, meanwhile the US under Obama has has an international no-fly list with very little over-sight for years. Obama and Clinton wanted to use the no-fly list as a basis for banning people from owning a firearm. that means they wanted to have a list that they can put people on to take away their rights without due process.
No one cared when Obama did it and when they get another liberal in the white house they'll let them continue endless global waring, mass spying, and eroding of our liberties. Sounds like America is basically fucked to me.
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#4Conspiracy theories assume meticulous and detailed planning. Real path to authoritarian government goes to opportunism and being combative in very straightforward way. Personality and temperament create implicit strategy that can bee seen.
The question is not if Trump is authoritarian or not, he is. The question is how far he gan get.
Germans provide good history lesson: http://www.zeit.de/wissen/geschichte/2017-02/adolf-hitler-ch...
edit: in response of calling Trump Hitler I quote Garry Kasparov:
>Putin isn't Hitler!' 'Trump isn't Hitler!' Wow, congratulations! You have failed the most basic lesson of learning from history in order not to repeat it! I wrote about this fallacy extensively in Winter is Coming and elsewhere, but am happy to recap it here. Of course Putin isn't Hitler, and Donald Trump isn't even Putin—no matter how much he would like to be. The point is that no one is making comparisons to the monster Adolf Hitler became in the 1940s. But in the 20s, even for most of the 30s, Hitler wasn't Hitler either! There could be no more important lesson to understand than how a race-baiting demagogue came to power in an educated and liberal country like Germany and how he transformed that nation into a fascist death machine capable of World War and unimaginable acts.
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#5I thought that when Trump won, the left would finally realize that being arrogant, lying, authoritarians was a mistake. Boy was I wrong. We're seeing thousands protest over travel restrictions from 9 countries, meanwhile the US under Obama has has an international no-fly list with very little over-sight for years. Obama and Clinton wanted to use the no-fly list as a basis for banning people from owning a firearm. tha…
Progressives have always been unhappy with things like warrantless spying, the no fly list, using drones to bomb weddings and funerals because someone on a 'kill list' is a relative. Progressives have been deeply disappointed with Obama for continuing these policies. And have warned that normalizing these policies is handing the next administration a loaded gun. In that we think the wannabe 'centrist' and 'corporate' democratic party leaders are fools.
Generally conservatives appear to only get upset when it's a nominal Democrat wielding these powers. And switch to total support once a Republican is in office.
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#6Conspiracy theories assume meticulous and detailed planning. Real path to authoritarian government goes to opportunism and being combative in very straightforward way. Personality and temperament create implicit strategy that can bee seen. The question is not if Trump is authoritarian or not, he is. The question is how far he gan get. Germans provide good history lesson: http://www.zeit.de/wissen/geschichte/2017-02/a…
Assuming that Trump is Hitler already makes foundation of your model wrong from the beginning. Hence logical conclusions taken from your wrong model is therefore, also wrong. You are working with a faulty model.
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#7I thought that when Trump won, the left would finally realize that being arrogant, lying, authoritarians was a mistake. Boy was I wrong. We're seeing thousands protest over travel restrictions from 9 countries, meanwhile the US under Obama has has an international no-fly list with very little over-sight for years. Obama and Clinton wanted to use the no-fly list as a basis for banning people from owning a firearm. tha…
Progressives have always been unhappy with things like warrantless spying, the no fly list, using drones to bomb weddings and funerals because someone on a 'kill list' is a relative. Progressives have been deeply disappointed with Obama for continuing these policies. And have warned that normalizing these policies is handing the next administration a loaded gun. In that we think the wannabe 'centrist' and 'corporate'…
I didn't see any progressives (or conservatives) marching against the Obama administration. I'm sure they had some small rally, but look at what's going on now.
Under Obama if you got detained at an airport (which happened all the time, possibly every single day) no one gave a shit. Now apparently it's the end of the world as we know it.
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#8Political Hacker News is my favorite website...
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#9Political Hacker News is my favorite website...
There's been a lot of confusion on politics a mind HN. I collected a list of recent comments by 'dang on the topic:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13538787
At the end of the day, if you think a submission is inappropriate for HN, flag and move on.
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#10I thought that when Trump won, the left would finally realize that being arrogant, lying, authoritarians was a mistake. Boy was I wrong. We're seeing thousands protest over travel restrictions from 9 countries, meanwhile the US under Obama has has an international no-fly list with very little over-sight for years. Obama and Clinton wanted to use the no-fly list as a basis for banning people from owning a firearm. tha…
Progressives have always been unhappy with things like warrantless spying, the no fly list, using drones to bomb weddings and funerals because someone on a 'kill list' is a relative. Progressives have been deeply disappointed with Obama for continuing these policies. And have warned that normalizing these policies is handing the next administration a loaded gun. In that we think the wannabe 'centrist' and 'corporate'…
>Progressives have always been unhappy with things like warrantless spying, the no fly list, using drones to bomb weddings and funerals because someone on a 'kill list' is a relative. Progressives have been deeply disappointed with Obama for continuing these policies.
Continuing and extending, you mean.
It was like a great wall of noise suddenly disappeared the day Obama was inaugurated. They may have been disappointed, but they were pretty silent in their disappointment unless you knew which websites to go to. Where were the riots then?
And then they were so sure Hillary would be elected they figured all that extraconstitutional EO stuff would be fine, because Hillary is one of us, right? More of a will to power thing than any indication of principle, wouldn't you say?
>Generally conservatives appear to only get upset when it's a nominal Democrat wielding these powers. And switch to total support once a Republican is in office.
That's not an opinion shared by any conservatives I know until this president. Conservatives feel they've been punished for refusing to color outside the lines. For not using the IRS and the rest of the federal bureaucracy against political opponents like Obama did. For trying to compromise on SCOTUS appointments. For tolerating advocacy against their political beliefs by tax supported institutions like NPR and Universities.
If you want to know what conservatives are thinking now, it boils down to this: "Fuck you. We'll play by your rules, then. The constitution is a 'living document' that says what we say it says, and the structure and institutions of the government are only useful in that they advance our agenda."