Getting out of the cloud…
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Getting out of the cloud…
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#2For the tech industry, this is gonna be harder to navigate than the upcoming regulations on visas and h1bs. I don't even want to think about all the refactoring and rearchitecting to provide data segregation on multi-region. What a mess.
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#3Don't want to sound like I sound, but this might be the end of the Internet as we know it.
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#4Can any one please explain in layman terms what this means a bit more clearly?
I think I understood the part where the US no longer a good place to store data, and that there are no proper privacy laws protecting foreign citizens' data that is stored on US soil. So basically, if you still want to have a proper privacy policy, GTFO your data to non-US servers ASAP.
Anything else? Something I've gotten wrong?
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#5Don't want to sound like I sound, but this might be the end of the Internet as we know it.
more like the internet will finally be fixed. There is no reason gmail cannot encrypt my email and remove pii data, except that it will eat into advertising revenues. Its easy for companies like Google to take a stand on an easy thing like the government making it a bit harder to get visas, but when it comes to saying no to government requests for your email - they happily comply.
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#6In fairness, this has been a long time coming - legal-aware geeks have been warning us since 2001 about the infamous PATRIOT Act. SafeHaven and PrivacyShield were both disingenuous attempts at persuading people that "actually we don't really mean that for you, friends". In a way, I'm glad the hypocrisy is over.
This might actually help the European market.
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#7Can any one please explain in layman terms what this means a bit more clearly? I think I understood the part where the US no longer a good place to store data, and that there are no proper privacy laws protecting foreign citizens' data that is stored on US soil. So basically, if you still want to have a proper privacy policy, GTFO your data to non-US servers ASAP. Anything else? Something I've gotten wrong?
There's also the chance that USDoJ vs. Microsoft will land in USDoJ's favour. If so, then if your cloud provider is US-based (e.g. Amazon), then your data can be procured by the US government with a NSL or similar secret court mechanisms without you even being notified. I don't think that people frequenting HN need to have it explained to them why this is bad for US-based cloud providers. Amazon needs to segregate Frankfurt, fast.
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#8It's easier to move our own company's apps, I feel. What's harder is all the SaaS products that we use most of which are in the US :/ I have to look more closely into selfhosting solutions.
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#9Don't want to sound like I sound, but this might be the end of the Internet as we know it.
more like the internet will finally be fixed. There is no reason gmail cannot encrypt my email and remove pii data, except that it will eat into advertising revenues. Its easy for companies like Google to take a stand on an easy thing like the government making it a bit harder to get visas, but when it comes to saying no to government requests for your email - they happily comply.
The number one benefit that Gmail touted when it launched was searchable email. That will break.
You're perfectly free to use E2E encryption on Gmail, and they are even trying to make it easy for you, though that project is evidently not as well staffed as the advertising org.
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#10https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/c...
https://govtrequests.facebook.com/country/United%20States/20...
~60,000 google user accounts(not just email, but all your web browsing data) were handed over to the government in 2016. And this was under the Obama administration.