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Re: White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media and phone contacts

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Well, it happened under Obama's leadership https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/26/us-customs-soc... . Previous HN discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11984609 .

Just because it happened under Obama's leadership doesn't mean Trump can do it too.

Re: White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media and phone contacts

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Well, it happened under Obama's leadership https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/26/us-customs-soc... . Previous HN discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11984609 .

Notably:

"If the foreign visitor declines to share such information, he or she could be denied entry."

That part is new, isn't it?

Re: White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media and phone contacts

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Well, it happened under Obama's leadership https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/26/us-customs-soc... . Previous HN discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11984609 .

Classic alt-er redirection. It doesn't matter if Obama started it, what matters is what we're going to do to stop it.

Re: White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media and phone contacts

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Well, it happened under Obama's leadership https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/26/us-customs-soc... . Previous HN discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11984609 .

Just because it happened under Obama's leadership doesn't mean Trump can do it too.

Nope but just check the difference in tone.

The current travel restrictions also happened under Obama, Trump used the same list of restricted countries that the Obama administration highlighted. The previous restrictions applied to anyone who traveled to those countries since 2011.

I wonder if there are actual stats on how many people were affected by the previous restriction vs the current one.

People yelling about war crimes and refugee crisis while the actual figures of refugees admitted to the US are ridiculously low without any restrictions.

And those who are admitted are the cream of the top, those who can pay as much as 50,000$ per head if not more to be smuggled to a country, have papers made for them, afford air fares to the US and the cost of the admission.

It's not that US ports were bombarded by barefoot orphans, the vast majority of refugees in the US were from the upper classes who could afford it, they came on a cousy flight from Zurich or Frankfurt and not on a boat from Cuba.

Yes it's all sad and unfair but the real tragedy and travesty is the the current narrative that is being blown out of all proportions which allows pasty guardian reporters to feel good about themselves because they uninstalled Uber while ignoring the real atrocities that happen around the world.

While the 10-15K Syrian's admitted in the US are not a tiny number on it's own but when viewed globally with the ~5M Syrian refugees and 14M Syrians in need of dire humanitarian aid in country it's irrelevant.

Re: White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media and phone contacts

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Well, it happened under Obama's leadership https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/26/us-customs-soc... . Previous HN discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11984609 .

More recently:

> U.S. government begins asking foreign travelers about social media

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13242620

Re: White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media and phone contacts

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Well, it happened under Obama's leadership https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/26/us-customs-soc... . Previous HN discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11984609 .

Notably: "If the foreign visitor declines to share such information, he or she could be denied entry." That part is new, isn't it?

No, this is refusal to cooperate with a border control / immigration agent which is grounds for rejection of entry.

I've seen 2 loud white chicks being denied entry to the US with a valid visa because they were acting obnoxious and causing a mess at the immigration line in JFK.

If they don't want you in it's extremely easy, if you used drugs, if you gotten as much as a parking ticket it's enough for them to deny you entry either due to lying or not being "of good character".

And this happens a lot to people of all races, nationalities, sexes and ages.

Re: White House discussing asking foreign visitors for social media and phone contacts

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Well, it happened under Obama's leadership https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/26/us-customs-soc... . Previous HN discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11984609 .

Notably: "If the foreign visitor declines to share such information, he or she could be denied entry." That part is new, isn't it?

An official rule to deny entry might be new, not sure, but border control can already deny entry for that (as they can for basically any other reason).
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