Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
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Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#2Is there a word for being simultaneously shocked and not shocked at the same time?
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#3I guess the best way to be absolutely sure you don't break the license is to uninstall Java.
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#4Java cannot die soon enough.
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#5Bryan Cantrill has called Oracle the North Star of Rage - whenever you are confused or lost, you can realign your coordinate system relative to Oracle.
I have never had to deal with Oracle, but every time I read something about them in the news, I think of of that nice quote and tend to agree a little more with Mr. Cantrill.
On the other hand, I wonder why they do this? This can only hurt Java. I would imagine some companies will take this as a sign and go with .Net where they presumably do not have deal with problems like this one.
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#6Is there a word for being simultaneously shocked and not shocked at the same time?
Mildly shocked? http://m.imgur.com/gallery/KR93TA2
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#7The article was very confusing to me. Does it really mean if I get the standard download that might have some licensed components (Flight recorder for example) I'm on the hook even if I don't enable/use those features? The VM even has flag for unlocking commercial feature so that doesn't make sense.
Or is it the fact that people are using commercial features thinking that all the free downloaded bits are free, that seems a bit naive for big companies.
Also not sure of the distribution angle, if I don't use the msi installer and bundle it in a zip or something does it still require a commercial license? From reading distribution FAQ it seems I can distribute it internally my organization not sure if I can as part of commercial application sold to 3rd party.
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#8Probably a naive question, but where does this put open source projects that use Java? Tomcat springs to mind ...
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#9Is there a word for being simultaneously shocked and not shocked at the same time?
I'll take this opportunity to coin a new usage: "Trumped"
Re: Oracle finally targets Java non-payers – six years after plucking Sun
#10Oracle will become the new SCO :)
That said, the article is a bit fuzzy.
For example, if you want to use Flight Recorder you have to explicitly enable commercial features UnlockCommercialFeatures.
This is however free for non-production use. That is "designing, developing and testing"
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/terms/license/...
> A. COMMERCIAL FEATURES. You may not use the Commercial Features for running Programs, Java applets or applications in your internal business operations or for any commercial or production purpose, or for any purpose other than as set forth in Sections B, C, D and E of these Supplemental Terms. If You want to use the Commercial Features for any purpose other than as permitted in this Agreement, You must obtain a separate license from Oracle.
> B. SOFTWARE INTERNAL USE FOR DEVELOPMENT LICENSE GRANT. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement and restrictions and exceptions set forth in the README File incorporated herein by reference, including, but not limited to the Java Technology Restrictions of these Supplemental Terms, Oracle grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license without fees to reproduce internally and use internally the Software complete and unmodified for the purpose of designing, developing, and testing your Programs.