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American asylums are a perfect example of the sin and corruption at the root of American society: dehumanizing and illegal detainment of human beings to preserve power and profits.

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In the 1970s, a researcher sent fake (healthy) patients to asylums. They were loaded with powerful antipsychotics and not allowed to leave until they faked the cures the psychologists expected to see.

When the fake patients were all out the story blew the lid on the American psychological profession, so the psychologists said "bring more fakes, we can sort them out."

The original researcher said "sure."

The psychologists proudly stated a few weeks later that they had weeded out several dozens of "fakes."

There was no second fake cohort.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

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American asylums are a perfect example of the sin and corruption at the root of American society: dehumanizing and illegal detainment of human beings to preserve power and profits. ... In the 1970s, a researcher sent fake (healthy) patients to asylums. They were loaded with powerful antipsychotics and not allowed to leave until they faked the cures the psychologists expected to see. When the fake patients were all ou…

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I should hope this comes as no surprise to anyone. Every single psychiatrist I've ever visited had the same policy, only their lock was medicine rather than a door (outpatient vs inpatient). I feel bad for the lady because she didn't know any better and joked about suicide, but shouldn't it be common sense you don't tell anyone about that--you don't even joke about it--especially to a doctor with the power to commit you? I'm pretty sure you can't have decent therapy if you're not truthful with your therapist, but that's the catch-22 of needing mental help in America. Fucked if you don't seek it out and really fucked if you do.

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> Lauren Singer, who worked for six months at the front desk of Colorado’s Highlands Behavioral, said people who were waiting in the lobby for an assessment would ask her what it would entail. “I would frequently get yelled at for overstepping my bounds and telling them too much about the evaluation process,” Singer said. A button behind the receptionist’s desk controlled the lock to the front door of the facility, and, she said, “If someone came in voluntarily, I wasn’t allowed to let them out of the door.”

That's terrifying. Earlier in the article they talked about people coming in for simple depression screening based the hospital's ads, but things like locking the doors behind people who choose to come in are probably keeping a lot of people from getting the help they need.

Medical care, especially medical care with an involuntary component, should never be for profit. The profit motive is just too corrupting.

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American asylums are a perfect example of the sin and corruption at the root of American society: dehumanizing and illegal detainment of human beings to preserve power and profits. ... In the 1970s, a researcher sent fake (healthy) patients to asylums. They were loaded with powerful antipsychotics and not allowed to leave until they faked the cures the psychologists expected to see. When the fake patients were all ou…

don't you mean psychiatrists, not psychologists?

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I should hope this comes as no surprise to anyone. Every single psychiatrist I've ever visited had the same policy, only their lock was medicine rather than a door (outpatient vs inpatient). I feel bad for the lady because she didn't know any better and joked about suicide, but shouldn't it be common sense you don't tell anyone about that--you don't even joke about it-- especially to a doctor with the power to commit…

> but shouldn't it be common sense you don't tell anyone about that--you don't even joke about it--especially to a doctor with the power to commit you?

It shouldn't be, because doctors should have the sense and motivation to differentiate a joke from a true statement.

It's just a really sad statement that our society has traps like this (that people really need to be aware of), which can really screw you over.

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> Lauren Singer, who worked for six months at the front desk of Colorado’s Highlands Behavioral, said people who were waiting in the lobby for an assessment would ask her what it would entail. “I would frequently get yelled at for overstepping my bounds and telling them too much about the evaluation process,” Singer said. A button behind the receptionist’s desk controlled the lock to the front door of the facility, a…

If these allegations are proven and those responsible for these policies don't spend significant time in prison then we can no longer deny that we live in a corrupt society.

Re: Intake – American's largest psychiatric chain

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American asylums are a perfect example of the sin and corruption at the root of American society: dehumanizing and illegal detainment of human beings to preserve power and profits. ... In the 1970s, a researcher sent fake (healthy) patients to asylums. They were loaded with powerful antipsychotics and not allowed to leave until they faked the cures the psychologists expected to see. When the fake patients were all ou…

It's tempting for some people to think "That was 40 years ago, and it couldn't happen now".

Things are much better (if only because all those big institutions were closed), but we stills see examples.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-held-...

This woman told her doctor that President Obama followed her on Twitter. That's very easy to check, 5 minutes tops. No one checked, they assumed it was a delusion, and she was detained against her will, deprived of her liberty.

The submitted article has some really disturbing parts:

> A technician rifled through Trimble’s purse for sharp objects and then a nurse told her to strip down to her underwear. It was then, she said, that she realized the doors to the psychiatric ward had locked behind her.

> Trimble, who has recently reached a settlement regarding her hospitalization, recalled shaking with fear and “deep, shameful humiliation” as the nurse examined her body, noting the location of any identifying marks. “All you can do,” Trimble said, “is stand there and let it happen.”

There's considerable overlap between "people who've experienced abuse" and "people who have mental illness". You can imagine jut how traumatic this kind of treatment could be to some people.

> Current and former employees from at least 10 UHS hospitals in nine states said they were under pressure to fill beds by almost any method — which sometimes meant exaggerating people’s symptoms or twisting their words to make them seem suicidal — and to hold them until their insurance payments ran out.

This is bizarre. There's no shortage of people who would have an actual need for those beds.

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> Lauren Singer, who worked for six months at the front desk of Colorado’s Highlands Behavioral, said people who were waiting in the lobby for an assessment would ask her what it would entail. “I would frequently get yelled at for overstepping my bounds and telling them too much about the evaluation process,” Singer said. A button behind the receptionist’s desk controlled the lock to the front door of the facility, a…

If these allegations are proven and those responsible for these policies don't spend significant time in prison then we can no longer deny that we live in a corrupt society.

I mean, this sounds a lot like criminal kidnapping.
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