It Was Never About Ops
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It Was Never About Ops
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#2It's fun to watch people learn the systems administration trade, but it's a little disheartening to watch them conclude -- incorrectly -- that proper systems administration is some kind of software engineering job.
Is this why Silicon Valley is allergic to the phrase 'systems administrator'? Ops, Devops, SRE... so many phrases to describe various jobs which all, when executed successfully, converge upon the same set of tasks, and the same approaches to them, that has been labeled 'systems administration' for thirty years or more.
What is the motivation behind this trend?
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#3It's fun to watch people learn the systems administration trade, but it's a little disheartening to watch them conclude -- incorrectly -- that proper systems administration is some kind of software engineering job. Is this why Silicon Valley is allergic to the phrase 'systems administrator'? Ops, Devops, SRE... so many phrases to describe various jobs which all, when executed successfully, converge upon the same set…
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#4It's fun to watch people learn the systems administration trade, but it's a little disheartening to watch them conclude -- incorrectly -- that proper systems administration is some kind of software engineering job. Is this why Silicon Valley is allergic to the phrase 'systems administrator'? Ops, Devops, SRE... so many phrases to describe various jobs which all, when executed successfully, converge upon the same set…
It's not just about that role, it's more about the interface between the people responsible for running the code and the people responsible for writing it, and to what degree each should be able to do the other's job. Just throwing shit over the wall isn't any good either.
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#5It's fun to watch people learn the systems administration trade, but it's a little disheartening to watch them conclude -- incorrectly -- that proper systems administration is some kind of software engineering job. Is this why Silicon Valley is allergic to the phrase 'systems administrator'? Ops, Devops, SRE... so many phrases to describe various jobs which all, when executed successfully, converge upon the same set…
> Is this why Silicon Valley is allergic to the phrase 'systems administrator'? Ops, Devops, SRE...
Titles are a good way for management to increase responsibilities for an employee, without having to pay them more.
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#6It's fun to watch people learn the systems administration trade, but it's a little disheartening to watch them conclude -- incorrectly -- that proper systems administration is some kind of software engineering job. Is this why Silicon Valley is allergic to the phrase 'systems administrator'? Ops, Devops, SRE... so many phrases to describe various jobs which all, when executed successfully, converge upon the same set…
It's not just about that role, it's more about the interface between the people responsible for running the code and the people responsible for writing it, and to what degree each should be able to do the other's job. Just throwing shit over the wall isn't any good either.
If you need to do backend and front end ("full stack"), know devops, know cloud primitives, know database fundamentals, know document storage (Elasticsearch), what are you going to actually be good at? Not much. You can't have both depth and breadth of knowledge, unless you're doing unhuman levels of cocaine and never sleeping.
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#7It's fun to watch people learn the systems administration trade, but it's a little disheartening to watch them conclude -- incorrectly -- that proper systems administration is some kind of software engineering job. Is this why Silicon Valley is allergic to the phrase 'systems administrator'? Ops, Devops, SRE... so many phrases to describe various jobs which all, when executed successfully, converge upon the same set…
> Is this why Silicon Valley is allergic to the phrase 'systems administrator'?
'系统管理员'
('xìtǒng guǎnlǐ yuán')
I'm thinking of doing the traditional anglo thing and getting a tattoo of chinese characters I'm not really familiar with. I'll tell people that it means "fiery heart of the tiger" or "blessed heaven spirit" or somesuch... :)
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not just about that role, it's more about the interface between the people responsible for running the code and the people responsible for writing it, and to what degree each should be able to do the other's job. Just throwing shit over the wall isn't any good either.
If you need to do backend and front end ("full stack"), know devops, know cloud primitives, know database fundamentals, know document storage (Elasticsearch), what are you going to actually be good at? Not much. You can't have both depth and breadth of knowledge, unless you're doing unhuman levels of cocaine and never sleeping.
Of course, I was just speaking to why this is happening, not my grand scheme for how this should all work. Personally I would ideally like to just commit code and be done with it. Being on-call sucks.
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#9It's fun to watch people learn the systems administration trade, but it's a little disheartening to watch them conclude -- incorrectly -- that proper systems administration is some kind of software engineering job. Is this why Silicon Valley is allergic to the phrase 'systems administrator'? Ops, Devops, SRE... so many phrases to describe various jobs which all, when executed successfully, converge upon the same set…
It's not just about that role, it's more about the interface between the people responsible for running the code and the people responsible for writing it, and to what degree each should be able to do the other's job. Just throwing shit over the wall isn't any good either.
This is a common answer which presumes that all businesses are development companies, or that they are development companies which are legally allowed this interplay between the programming team and the production team.
There are places (places with a lot of money on the line) that do not fall into these categories, and yet the solutions are not so different. I'm just intrigued by the level of effort Silicon Valley is willing to exert to avoid recognizing this -- or even admitting that it's possible.
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#10It's fun to watch people learn the systems administration trade, but it's a little disheartening to watch them conclude -- incorrectly -- that proper systems administration is some kind of software engineering job. Is this why Silicon Valley is allergic to the phrase 'systems administrator'? Ops, Devops, SRE... so many phrases to describe various jobs which all, when executed successfully, converge upon the same set…
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In my humble opinion, based on my humble work experience, this trend has not originated with overconfident engineers, but rather with cost-cutting managers.