Jobs on Flash: Hypocrisy So Thick You Could Cut it with a Knife
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Re: Jobs on Flash: Hypocrisy So Thick You Could Cut it with a Knife
#2I wish I knew why the concept of hypocrisy is so difficult to grasp that people are prone to apply it incorrectly. Maybe people just don't understand when someone is making a moral statement, and when someone isn't.
The claim here appears to be that since Apple ships Windows apps that don't use that platform to its fullest, Jobs cannot claim that least-common-denominator middleware is unhealthy for a platform.
That makes no sense. I could see how it would be hypocrisy if Microsoft forbade middleware and Apple complained about whether or not it was right for Microsoft to do so.
But it is not hypocrisy to enforce different rules for your own platform product than those for a competitors. There are no moral claims involved here.
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#3iTunes for Windows is by far one of the worst pieces of (major) Windows software you can possibly think of.
I used to think Apple did this on purpose to spite windows users, but then I got a mac and discovered iTunes sucks on OSX too.
Damn you beach ball!
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#4While I do think that the Jobs letter is littered with hypocrisy, I don't think comparing iTunes to Flash is a fair analogy. One is a single self contained application, and the other is a framework/runtime.
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#5I wish I knew why the concept of hypocrisy is so difficult to grasp that people are prone to apply it incorrectly. Maybe people just don't understand when someone is making a moral statement, and when someone isn't. The claim here appears to be that since Apple ships Windows apps that don't use that platform to its fullest, Jobs cannot claim that least-common-denominator middleware is unhealthy for a platform. That m…
Right, not using all the tools available in an OS is quite different than not being able to do so because of the development environment.
Re: Jobs on Flash: Hypocrisy So Thick You Could Cut it with a Knife
#6I wish I knew why the concept of hypocrisy is so difficult to grasp that people are prone to apply it incorrectly. Maybe people just don't understand when someone is making a moral statement, and when someone isn't. The claim here appears to be that since Apple ships Windows apps that don't use that platform to its fullest, Jobs cannot claim that least-common-denominator middleware is unhealthy for a platform. That m…
Right, not using all the tools available in an OS is quite different than not being able to do so because of the development environment.
See...in the subtext of your post, there is the ghost of a moral claim. † So now we're getting close to the requirements for hypocrisy. Now you would just need to create a closed platform and ship it.
† One that Jobs did not make, and that I do not agree with — I think any platform can make its own rules, and game consoles have set the precedent for the more closed model.
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#7The only people I know defending Adobe and Flash are Flash developers and Adobe itself. Everybody else tolerates Flash begrudgingly. I miss a few flash games here and there on my iPhone. Beyond that, good riddance. Flash is the RealPlayer of the decade.
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#8I wish I knew why the concept of hypocrisy is so difficult to grasp that people are prone to apply it incorrectly. Maybe people just don't understand when someone is making a moral statement, and when someone isn't. The claim here appears to be that since Apple ships Windows apps that don't use that platform to its fullest, Jobs cannot claim that least-common-denominator middleware is unhealthy for a platform. That m…
It's so hard to grasp that the author even uses 'hypercritical' as an adjective to denote an instance of hypocrisy.
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#9I see some of his points, but he is missing the bigger point. (And Steve's letter actually fails here too)
They want to keep flash out of the mobile device space, so arguing about creating crappy desktop apps is a red herring.
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#10iTunes for Windows is by far one of the worst pieces of (major) Windows software you can possibly think of. I used to think Apple did this on purpose to spite windows users, but then I got a mac and discovered iTunes sucks on OSX too. Damn you beach ball!
Really? I leave mine running for weeks on end with no issues. I try to keep it up to date but usually let the updates stew for a month before upgrading. iTunes is indispensable software for me, and I don't own an iPhone, iPad, iPod or any of that. Nor do I use it for purchasing music. Strictly as a music organizer/player, I think it is fantastic and integrates perfectly with the operating system.
That being said, the last time I used iTunes on Windows it was about as enjoybable as waiting for a Java Applet to load up.