Steven Strogatz on chaos theory, game theory, and why math isn’t boring
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Steven Strogatz on chaos theory, game theory, and why math isn’t boring
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Re: Steven Strogatz on chaos theory, game theory, and why math isn’t boring
#2In fact, natural numbers are the basis for almost all of mathematics. And natural numbers are a manifestation of counting. Information theoretically, to count, one needs two dimensions (or degrees of freedom.) Space for storage of the number. And time to increment the storage medium, again and again, at different points. You could use two dimensions of space instead, and you'd just draw two orthogonal lines..and say the area inside the rectangle is the product.
So if counting is fundamentally related to the relationship between two dimensions, then so is addition since addition is repeated/recursive counting. And multiplication is repeated/recursive addition.
Once you realize this, physics seems less fundamental than mathematics, when it comes to understanding the universe.
Multiplication and addition are related in the way that f(x) and repeat(f(x), y) are related. They distribute over eachother and have certain properties.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_(mathematics)
So..the primes, the chaotic relationship between the modularity of addition over multiplication and the modularity of multiplication over addition, is due to the relationship between our universe's dimensions.
Want to study the universe at the most raw level? Mathematics. Want to study it a little higher? Physics. Want to study it at a higher level..maybe closer to the phaneron? Biology/neurochemistry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaneron
Want to study it at the thinking level? Zen buddhism.
Choose your pick. The causal chain of human to universe doesn't discriminate. The whole chain could be the "real" reality. Pick your choice. It's all beautiful. It's all mystifying and enigmatic. Just do it.
Re: Steven Strogatz on chaos theory, game theory, and why math isn’t boring
#3I wish I had seen some of this beauty from a younger age.
It goes to show how much the right teacher, especially early on, can have a profound impact on your life.
Re: Steven Strogatz on chaos theory, game theory, and why math isn’t boring
#4The reason I posted this article was that this is the second mathematician I've come across in two days to talk about the elegance and beauty of mathematics. I wish I had seen some of this beauty from a younger age. It goes to show how much the right teacher, especially early on, can have a profound impact on your life.
Re: Steven Strogatz on chaos theory, game theory, and why math isn’t boring
#5The reason I posted this article was that this is the second mathematician I've come across in two days to talk about the elegance and beauty of mathematics. I wish I had seen some of this beauty from a younger age. It goes to show how much the right teacher, especially early on, can have a profound impact on your life.
I agree. Most of mathematics is taught as calculations without motivation. If it was taught as the study of systems, and a toolbelt to understand the universe, more people would be passionate about it. All we can do is show the light to others.
Re: Steven Strogatz on chaos theory, game theory, and why math isn’t boring
#6The reason I posted this article was that this is the second mathematician I've come across in two days to talk about the elegance and beauty of mathematics. I wish I had seen some of this beauty from a younger age. It goes to show how much the right teacher, especially early on, can have a profound impact on your life.
But I don't know that my younger self had the maturity to see the deeper beauty. It was only starting college that I had the necessary complexity of thought (combined with wonderful professors).
It takes a while to develop a taste refined enough to perceive these things. In the meantime, rote memorizing your multiplication tables and polynomial expansions might be a necessary evil to have foundations strong enough to later support that kind of more abstract, artistic reasoning.
This goes for other fields too. You have to practice your chords to play Bach, and learn your conjugations to write a novel.
Re: Steven Strogatz on chaos theory, game theory, and why math isn’t boring
#7Why would anyone who is seriously good at lots of math go into teaching? Especially in the USA, UK, or other countries where teaching has such a low status. In many cases teachers are genuinely despised.
Why would anyone good at math ever go into teaching? No money, no status, no respect, no flexibility, no control, crushing hours, crushing workload ... why would anyone do that?!?
No wonder students are never exposed to the real beauty and elegance of mathematics.
Re: Steven Strogatz on chaos theory, game theory, and why math isn’t boring
#8Mathematics is the study of objective truth in a universe that has certain rules. How could knowing the universe in all its glory be boring? Wish they taught this rather than calculation at school. It's very uninspiring to not realize this and do math. In fact, natural numbers are the basis for almost all of mathematics. And natural numbers are a manifestation of counting. Information theoretically, to count, one nee…
But it's nonsense that the natural numbers require two dimensions. Time appears nowhere in the Zermelo–Fraenkel axioms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo–Fraenkel_set_theory
Re: Steven Strogatz on chaos theory, game theory, and why math isn’t boring
#9Mathematics is the study of objective truth in a universe that has certain rules. How could knowing the universe in all its glory be boring? Wish they taught this rather than calculation at school. It's very uninspiring to not realize this and do math. In fact, natural numbers are the basis for almost all of mathematics. And natural numbers are a manifestation of counting. Information theoretically, to count, one nee…
Mathematics can be used to study the universe at the objective level but do not make the mistake of treating numbers as ineffable, existing in some platonic realm outside of space/time/causation or talk about the "real" reality and mathematics together. Through mathematics we learn more about the limits of our own model building/cognition than any secrets of the universe.
Re: Steven Strogatz on chaos theory, game theory, and why math isn’t boring
#10Mathematics is the study of objective truth in a universe that has certain rules. How could knowing the universe in all its glory be boring? Wish they taught this rather than calculation at school. It's very uninspiring to not realize this and do math. In fact, natural numbers are the basis for almost all of mathematics. And natural numbers are a manifestation of counting. Information theoretically, to count, one nee…
But space and time are natural, ie. you mention a physical interpretation. And a paradox one at that, because you are explaining counting (numbers) by counting (dimensions).
> Want to study the universe at the most raw level?
I'd rather offer that mathematics is about formalization of what you know, while physics is about exploration of what you don't know. Maths is intrinsic, abstract and relies on intuition. Physics is extrinsic, concrete and relies on experimentation. These separations are arbitrary and not useful, if they don't serve a purpose. Why divide like that at all? If you talk hierarchy, I'd say logic is higher up there.
To wrap it up, what's that got to do with bad teaching? I'd suppose that deductive reasoning cannot be taught, because it is learned before language is acquired, then used to acquire language. Maybe, memory can be trained, and curiosity can be stimulated, but school is hardly the right setting to inspire creativity, when most of the time there talking is forbidden.
> Zen buddhism
Sure, nihilism, or religion overall, is like an escape when you abandon all hope and try to recollect new hope. It is admitting you don't know anymore and going back to square one.