Elm for the Front End, Right Now

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Post by listrophy » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 9:26 PM UTC

Elm for the Front End, Right Now
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Re: Elm for the Front End, Right Now

#2

Post by kinkdr » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 9:42 PM UTC

I wish they would stop making changes just for the shake of change. E.g. Up until 0.17 most code examples where using the prime ' character.

With 0.18, Evan decided that using prime is bad taste, so he decided to break any code that uses it.

Sure, it is not a big change, but it means they are not respecting user's time and it is a sign of things to come.

Sorry for the rant.

Edit: I hope my reply doesn't get misunderstood. I love Elm and use it in all my side projects. I think it made wonders for introducing new people to the ML world.

Edit2: Sorry, didn't meant to make so much fuss about it. It is indeed a small thing.

Re: Elm for the Front End, Right Now

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Post by listrophy » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 9:46 PM UTC

kinkdr wrote: post #2

I wish they would stop making changes just for the shake of change. E.g. Up until 0.17 most code examples where using the prime ' character. With 0.18, Evan decided that using prime is bad taste, so he decided to break any code that uses it. Sure, it is not a big change, but it means they are not respecting user's time and it is a sign of things to come. Sorry for the rant. Edit: I hope my reply doesn't get misunders…

I agree... I wish we still had the prime character. But since Elm isn't at 1.x status yet, that earns me an "irritated smirk" rather than a table-flip. :)

Re: Elm for the Front End, Right Now

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Post by vimota » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 9:48 PM UTC

kinkdr wrote: post #2

I wish they would stop making changes just for the shake of change. E.g. Up until 0.17 most code examples where using the prime ' character. With 0.18, Evan decided that using prime is bad taste, so he decided to break any code that uses it. Sure, it is not a big change, but it means they are not respecting user's time and it is a sign of things to come. Sorry for the rant. Edit: I hope my reply doesn't get misunders…

Just a reminder that 'elm-upgrade' [0] should handle this automatically.

[0] https://github.com/avh4/elm-upgrade#elm-upgrade

Re: Elm for the Front End, Right Now

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Post by kinkdr » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 9:49 PM UTC

listrophy wrote: post #3

kinkdr wrote: post #2

I wish they would stop making changes just for the shake of change. E.g. Up until 0.17 most code examples where using the prime ' character. With 0.18, Evan decided that using prime is bad taste, so he decided to break any code that uses it. Sure, it is not a big change, but it means they are not respecting user's time and it is a sign of things to come. Sorry for the rant. Edit: I hope my reply doesn't get misunders…

I agree... I wish we still had the prime character. But since Elm isn't at 1.x status yet, that earns me an "irritated smirk" rather than a table-flip. :)

Yes, I am not saying it is a big thing. It's a small thing in itself, but breaking backwards compatibility for no good reason is huge red flag for the future.

Re: Elm for the Front End, Right Now

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Post by ggregoire » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 9:51 PM UTC

From what languages is Elm inspired? I've a Java/C#/PHP/JS background and I feel really uncomfortable with Elm syntax.

Re: Elm for the Front End, Right Now

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Post by botexpert » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 9:51 PM UTC

ggregoire wrote: post #6

From what languages is Elm inspired? I've a Java/C#/PHP/JS background and I feel really uncomfortable with Elm syntax.

Haskell, ML langs.

Re: Elm for the Front End, Right Now

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Post by kinkdr » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 9:51 PM UTC

ggregoire wrote: post #6

From what languages is Elm inspired? I've a Java/C#/PHP/JS background and I feel really uncomfortable with Elm syntax.

Haskell

Re: Elm for the Front End, Right Now

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Post by thatswrong0 » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 9:56 PM UTC

kinkdr wrote: post #5

listrophy wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree... I wish we still had the prime character. But since Elm isn't at 1.x status yet, that earns me an "irritated smirk" rather than a table-flip. :)

Yes, I am not saying it is a big thing. It's a small thing in itself, but breaking backwards compatibility for no good reason is huge red flag for the future.

> breaking backwards compatibility for no good reason

I'd say reducing weird syntax is a perfectly good reason. How is doing this while offering an easy migration solution in an early stage language a "huge red flag"?

Re: Elm for the Front End, Right Now

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Post by kinkdr » Wed, Nov 23, 2016, 10:03 PM UTC

thatswrong0 wrote: post #9

kinkdr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I am not saying it is a big thing. It's a small thing in itself, but breaking backwards compatibility for no good reason is huge red flag for the future.

> breaking backwards compatibility for no good reason I'd say reducing weird syntax is a perfectly good reason. How is doing this while offering an easy migration solution in an early stage language a "huge red flag"?

> early stage language

I keep hearing this excuse, and to be honest I don't like it. On one hand we want to expand the usage of Elm, and have Elm be taken seriously, on the other hand when we feel like we use the "early stage" language excuse.

> I'd say reducing weird syntax is a perfectly good reason

I disagree with you on this, prohibiting the users from using the prime character has nothing to do with the language's syntax.