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Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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I was in Michigan just after caucusing for Bernie at home, and the sheer amount of people for Bernie or bust among the White, Asian & Black communities was palpable. 10 million less people turned out to vote compared to 2008, and those were nearly exclusively 10 million Obama voters.

Voters like this African American gal I met in eastern Michigan who did not vote after Bernie lost, or that of this great group of young Asian Americans who also supported Bernie but switched or did not vote after his loss due to extended family & friends (from the west coast nonetheless) telling them Trump was the only option.

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A) People thought it was in the bag. I live in PA and it was a 6 to 8 point lead.

B) Seriously heard and had emails saying that there would be Trump supporters watching our polls (I live int he third largest city in PA)

C) Very little enthusiasm for Hillary compared to the Super Star Status of Trump.

D) People don't understand that the Democrats had little national power besides the White House and didn't take the election seriously

E) Facts and truth was thrown out the door so there was little to no dialog between the parties. The demonizing of Democrats was unreal. People really believe Hillary is a Satan Worshiper and that Obama is secretly helping ISIS.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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> This is the problem with America today, the technology that was supposed to bring us together actually isolated us into echo chambers and drove us further apart.

Everybody knows where the other echo chamber is. As a democrat, you are free to watch Fox or read Breitbart. The hard thing is to read it open minded. The average democrat HN visitor probably looks there and stops after two sentences. Then leaves ranting about the bullshit there.

The crux is that this the same in reverse. If a Trump supporter watches CNN, he stops after two sentences. Then leaves ranting about the bullshit there.

I have no idea how to fix this.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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I immediately stop reading when i see sentences like "The Media Lied To Us About EVERYTHING". This is stupid and i don't trust the author anymore. It's a huge red flag. Did the NYTimes ever openly lie (That's not publishing false information)? I only read it for american/international news, but they always seemed very trustworthy and many trustworthy people declared it trustworthy (the guardian and my favourite newspaper, the german sueddeutsche Zeitung are all working with it).

I know about the emails and the investigation, that's nothing new. Please don't write articles about how everybody forgot about wikileaks and how much leaked emails you were posting in social media, because i don't care. These are not facts, they don't help me understand how trump won.

Also it was a very, very close race. Especially in Florida, i was glued to the screen.

EDIT: i read the whole article. Its clickbait. It never even starts trying to explain how hillary lost. It just states things not supported by facts like "Bernie Sanders Would Have Beat Trump". I would like to see Bernie beating Trump, but it is 100% opinion. No facts supported this claim. A third of the article is a positive outlook for the trump-presidency, which has nothing to do with the headline and what i expected to read. Also the first third is all about the leaked wikileaks emails, but no facts are presented that support the conclusion that they were even that important. I doubt it, of course it's a scandal, but the candidates were too different to let the emails be the decisive factor.

I want to understand how hillary lost, but i want facts, polls, interviews, data and experts analysing the data. Not somebody rambling about how he knew it all along.

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post #5

I immediately stop reading when i see sentences like "The Media Lied To Us About EVERYTHING". This is stupid and i don't trust the author anymore. It's a huge red flag. Did the NYTimes ever openly lie (That's not publishing false information)? I only read it for american/international news, but they always seemed very trustworthy and many trustworthy people declared it trustworthy (the guardian and my favourite newsp…

She "stole" the PEOPLE'S CHOICE?!!?! Bernie.

Just another sore loser who's own echo chambre prevents him from realising most democrats voted for clinton, and no preference the DNC staffers had changed that.

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post #2

I was in Michigan just after caucusing for Bernie at home, and the sheer amount of people for Bernie or bust among the White, Asian & Black communities was palpable. 10 million less people turned out to vote compared to 2008, and those were nearly exclusively 10 million Obama voters. Voters like this African American gal I met in eastern Michigan who did not vote after Bernie lost, or that of this great group of youn…

We all made a decision and we all have to live with it. That gal decided at the time to do what is best for her future.

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post #5

I immediately stop reading when i see sentences like "The Media Lied To Us About EVERYTHING". This is stupid and i don't trust the author anymore. It's a huge red flag. Did the NYTimes ever openly lie (That's not publishing false information)? I only read it for american/international news, but they always seemed very trustworthy and many trustworthy people declared it trustworthy (the guardian and my favourite newsp…

She "stole" the PEOPLE'S CHOICE?!!?! Bernie. Just another sore loser who's own echo chambre prevents him from realising most democrats voted for clinton, and no preference the DNC staffers had changed that.

Um...yes, it did. They manipulated everything they could to limit his exposure and got a decent number of African American voters to fill out absentee ballots towards the beginning of the primary before they had any idea who the other candidates were.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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She "stole" the PEOPLE'S CHOICE?!!?! Bernie. Just another sore loser who's own echo chambre prevents him from realising most democrats voted for clinton, and no preference the DNC staffers had changed that.

Um...yes, it did. They manipulated everything they could to limit his exposure and got a decent number of African American voters to fill out absentee ballots towards the beginning of the primary before they had any idea who the other candidates were.

Yes, cause Bernie had the AA. vote in his pocket.

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post #5

I immediately stop reading when i see sentences like "The Media Lied To Us About EVERYTHING". This is stupid and i don't trust the author anymore. It's a huge red flag. Did the NYTimes ever openly lie (That's not publishing false information)? I only read it for american/international news, but they always seemed very trustworthy and many trustworthy people declared it trustworthy (the guardian and my favourite newsp…

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