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Why It’s So Hard to Get Solar in Florida

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Until very recently, installing a solar system came with a great big helping of extra taxes!

Thankfully that was just fixed by a landslide.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/08/30/amendment-4-would-make-...

But all is still not well. Our state government seems determined to protect us from "big solar". If only that were truly a problem! If you live in Florida, make sure to go vote even if you can't stomach either of our partisan candidates for president, if nothing more than to support solar power in Florida.

Its pretty embarrassing for the "sunshine State" to get its ass kicked in solar power by New Jersey.

Re: Why It’s So Hard to Get Solar in Florida

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I think if they added a provision for a fixed fee that needs state congressional approval to change would at least clear things up. In the end, at least here in AZ, roughly half the electric bill is separated to "delivery" fees, which are supposed to cover infrastructure and maintenance. If those were a fixed fee, then it'd be easier to calculate the advantage or not of solar.

Another risk in Florida, is the solar panels are effectively wind sails in a hurricane, and raise the risk of property damage, which is another thing that may be offsetting costs in terms of raised property insurance.

I'm actually more in favor of wind farming than solar currently. The costs to create the panels have other environmental impact beyond the displacement of other resources for fuel used in electricity creation.

Re: Why It’s So Hard to Get Solar in Florida

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I've seen similar stories in the past, the problem appears to be that in many areas the bill was 100% linked to actual usage and didn't reflect the costs of the connection and infrastructure.

In New Zealand the domestic electricity bill is broken up into a fixed daily charge plus a variable charge. According to this site only around 30% of the bill goes towards generation so it is a bit more closely matching the actual costs of the provider.

https://www.ea.govt.nz/consumers/my-electricity-bill/

Re: Why It’s So Hard to Get Solar in Florida

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post #3

I think if they added a provision for a fixed fee that needs state congressional approval to change would at least clear things up. In the end, at least here in AZ, roughly half the electric bill is separated to "delivery" fees, which are supposed to cover infrastructure and maintenance. If those were a fixed fee, then it'd be easier to calculate the advantage or not of solar. Another risk in Florida, is the solar pa…

I had solar pool panels that did fine through hurricane Mathew in west palm beach. They are pvc and plastic I think. I was worried about them flying but they must have been engineered right as far as roof connections (plus the winds remained mostly tropical strength with a few hurricane gusts.)

Re: Why It’s So Hard to Get Solar in Florida

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The proposal (as it will be written on the Florida ballot) starts off:

> This amendment establishes a right under Florida's constitution for consumers to own or lease solar equipment installed on their property to generate electricity for their own use.

I wish that the article would have talked a bit more about how misleading this sentence is. It makes it sound like Floridians are gaining the ability the own or lease solar panels, when in fact we (I'm a new Floridian) already have that right! It is just a statutory right, not a constitutional one. But reading this, a voter who doesn't know better might think that this is some new right that Floridians didn't previously have.

It seems like this bill has a pretty broad list of opponents. How often do you see opponents such as the Republican Liberty Caucus of Florida, the Libertarian Party of Florida, Sierra Club and the Green Party of Florida all on the same side of an issue?

So with conservatives, liberals and libertarians against this amendment, it seems like the only real supporters are the power utilities who had to fight before the state supreme court to get the misleading wording accepted. But given the misleading wording, I'm wording that this just might get passed.

More about this here: https://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Solar_Energy_Subsidies_and_P...

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The proposal (as it will be written on the Florida ballot) starts off: > This amendment establishes a right under Florida's constitution for consumers to own or lease solar equipment installed on their property to generate electricity for their own use. I wish that the article would have talked a bit more about how misleading this sentence is. It makes it sound like Floridians are gaining the ability the own or lease…

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Re: Why It’s So Hard to Get Solar in Florida

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The proposal (as it will be written on the Florida ballot) starts off: > This amendment establishes a right under Florida's constitution for consumers to own or lease solar equipment installed on their property to generate electricity for their own use. I wish that the article would have talked a bit more about how misleading this sentence is. It makes it sound like Floridians are gaining the ability the own or lease…

The big problem with it is this:

"to ensure that consumers who do not choose to install solar are not required to subsidize the costs of backup power and electric grid access to those who do."

This is essentially an open door that can later be slammed shut in the faces of solar installations that are leased at a discount to the homeowner on the fact that excess power can be sold back to the grid (net metering). It could also be taken so far as to allow power companies to charge extra fees to individual solar users for not using "enough" power to pay their "share" of the distribution system costs (utility poles etc).

I wish there was a way to vote against this and let them know exactly why.

Its a nearly perfect example of a classic political ploy: Enshrine a common sense right that everyone already defacto has (and would be crazy to vote against) in law, but slip in some weasel words that nullify that right in practice.

Re: Why It’s So Hard to Get Solar in Florida

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Until very recently, installing a solar system came with a great big helping of extra taxes! Thankfully that was just fixed by a landslide. http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/08/30/amendment-4-would-make-... But all is still not well. Our state government seems determined to protect us from "big solar". If only that were truly a problem! If you live in Florida, make sure to go vote even if you can't stomach either of our…

Are you advocating that people vote yes or no? Because the article doesn't really say which would be better for solar.
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