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Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#1
I work at one of the "Big 4" tech companies and haven't been satisfied for a while. Did an interview with another "Big 4" company and failed hard.

I've been feeling extremely anxious about work. I don't feel well in my current team because everyone is smarter than me and I think no one likes me (people forget to invite me to meetings, I'm not invited to outside events, etc.). Every pull request I submit gets a load of criticism. I don't feel valuable to the team.

The first thing I thought is that my attitude is bad. But this can't be - I've heard from multiple people that I'm the nicest and most patient person they've ever met. In fact, my manager has criticized me more than once for being "too nice" i.e. that I should stand my ground more, or push people for things I depend on from them.

I wanted to jump ship and find an opportunity I might feel more passionate about. Found said opportunity but failed hard in most of the interview puzzles.

I'm feeling lost. I feel that 1) I'll be forever with the current company and 2) if I'm ever laid off, I'll never get a job again because I can't solve the puzzles.

Interview puzzles are so hit-or-miss. No matter how many of them I solve, I always stutter when I'm faced with a new one. If the problem is new, it either "clicks" right away or I bomb the interview. No middle ground.

My thoughts are descending into the darkest reaches. Death doesn't seem so bad anymore. Then I don't have to think about all this.

I don't know where I went wrong. I used to be intelligent. I used to be liked by my teams. I used to be good at puzzles.

Now I'm dumb and worthless.

I don't have the option to stop working for a while. I have the savings for it, but it's unacceptable to my wife.

I don't know what to do.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#2
It's helpful to place yourself in context you are not the only person who's felt brutalized by this industry. I doubt you suck you wouldn't have ever made any team if you were really terrible this industry can be very hard on self esteem, it can get very lonely. I've survived 25 years in web development some days I wanted to cut my wrists but you soldier on. I haven't even had more than 1 day off since 1995. Keep a stiff upper lip it's a tough industry don't take things personally .

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#3
It sounds like you are suffering from imposter syndrome. Definitely look it up if you haven't heard of it as it is extremely common among engineers and developers.

Find someone that knows you to talk about this. It's very hard to give specific advice with out knowing your personality or the full story.

Try and remember that your life is much more than your work. There are so many other things worth living for.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#4
I worked for two big-4 in the 2000s and think these puzzles are bad and often serve to make the interviewer look smarter. I never had to do one when I got hired and I doubt I'd pass one now. Don't question your intelligence based on those. See discussion in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11001259 and maybe https://medium.com/@RobertYau/why-phone-screens-for-hiring-a...

When was the last time you had holiday? This might include days away from your family to get in an extra calm environment. I'm asking because I had US-collegues who didn't take a day of holiday in 5 years. And collegues who quit because they were burned out. All in the name of meeting deadlines or pleasing the next manager. Time off is important.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

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post #2

It's helpful to place yourself in context you are not the only person who's felt brutalized by this industry. I doubt you suck you wouldn't have ever made any team if you were really terrible this industry can be very hard on self esteem, it can get very lonely. I've survived 25 years in web development some days I wanted to cut my wrists but you soldier on. I haven't even had more than 1 day off since 1995. Keep a s…

> I haven't even had more than 1 day off since 1995.

You might be in the wrong industry after all.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

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post #2

It's helpful to place yourself in context you are not the only person who's felt brutalized by this industry. I doubt you suck you wouldn't have ever made any team if you were really terrible this industry can be very hard on self esteem, it can get very lonely. I've survived 25 years in web development some days I wanted to cut my wrists but you soldier on. I haven't even had more than 1 day off since 1995. Keep a s…

> I've survived 25 years in web development some days I wanted to cut my wrists but you soldier on.

I do no soldiering. When I feel mistreated, I quit.

So far I have been rewarded with nontrivial bumps in income for doing so.

(edit: to not tangle this subthread, moved my reply to the OP to a top-level post!)

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#7
If you can't get out of your dark thoughts, seek help, talk to a friend, find a mentor. There is no shame in asking for help. Don't struggle alone. If you need someone to talk to call 1-800-273-TALK (8255), or see http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org.

Check out the book Counterfeit Gods by Timothy Keller, it helped me out and put the importance of my day job into perspective, in the big picture of life. There are so many reasons besides work to be alive.

You may face the same doubts in your new job. You may be on a toxic team, or your judgement may be clouded by depression. If it is really a toxic team, keep interviewing quietly, you will get better each time. Interviewing is a skill and like any other you can get better at it. Be realistic though that the new job may not immediately fix your problems, but still some change might help you get you out of your rut.

This will pass. You are worthy of all the goodness that life has to offer.

Re: Ask HN: Failed interview, feeling unemployable and depressed – what do I do?

#8
I went through similar experiences and my ultimate conclusion was that the problem was those sorts of cultures, not me. There are many, many other employers than the "Big 4" and a correspondingly large variety of cultures. It is not a sign of strength or brilliance to be able to pass arbitrary (and they are arbitrary) hazing rituals.

You are not dumb or worthless for being unable to snap solve BS programming or algorithm puzzles.

Find a place, a team and role that is deserving of you.

Keep in mind too, that despite the propaganda, none of the "Big 4" does anything really to better the world.

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