BMW’s EV roadmap detailed, includes full autonomy by 2025
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Re: BMW’s EV roadmap detailed, includes full autonomy by 2025
#2If BMW doesn't update the i3 significantly before 2022 they are going to be left in the dust.
Chevy has the Bolt coming out this year which will offer 200+ mile range on a EV w/no ICE.
Nissan has said they have a 35kWh Leaf coming out for 2017 which will boost the Leaf to ~130 miles, with rumors that a 200+ mile model will be coming in 2018.
Plus Tesla is supposed to be coming out with the Model 3 in late 2017/early 2018 with 200+ mile range.
Re: BMW’s EV roadmap detailed, includes full autonomy by 2025
#3I put Ford's 2021 and BMW's 2025 and so on, into the autonomy is novelty category; just like the Roomba (yes the robot vacuum cleaner). There is no possible way in that time frame that either the software, or public infrastructure, or laws and regulations, and insurance are all going to magically go "full autonomy" in major cities, let alone outside of them, in that time frame. We've been trying to do this with trains and planes for a long time and while highly automated to a degree that might surprise some people, they are not fully autonomous. And yet they don't have to share infrastructure with significantly sized objects that not only don't use the same software, but not even the same spec including fault tolerance.
And another reason why I'm gonna be a bit negative Nancy on this, is because the entire software industry sucks when it comes to software updates. About the best at it has been Apple and iOS. The worst is a toss up between the automotive industry's own proprietary navigation systems (crap UI/Ux, crap nearly non-existent ship it and forget it update) and mobile device manufacturers. There will need to be software updates for more than a decade for cars, to account for all the unknown unknowns as infrastructure and rules all change, to account for interactions with other proprietary systems, as well as humans. But this industry sucks at software updates.
Anyway, good luck with that BMW.
Re: BMW’s EV roadmap detailed, includes full autonomy by 2025
#4If BMW doesn't update the i3 significantly before 2022 they are going to be left in the dust. Chevy has the Bolt coming out this year which will offer 200+ mile range on a EV w/no ICE. Nissan has said they have a 35kWh Leaf coming out for 2017 which will boost the Leaf to ~130 miles, with rumors that a 200+ mile model will be coming in 2018. Plus Tesla is supposed to be coming out with the Model 3 in late 2017/early…
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Re: BMW’s EV roadmap detailed, includes full autonomy by 2025
#5I put Ford's 2021 and BMW's 2025 and so on, into the autonomy is novelty category; just like the Roomba (yes the robot vacuum cleaner). There is no possible way in that time frame that either the software, or public infrastructure, or laws and regulations, and insurance are all going to magically go "full autonomy" in major cities, let alone outside of them, in that time frame. We've been trying to do this with train…
I would imagine intercity travel is immensely easier to solve than intracity travel.
Re: BMW’s EV roadmap detailed, includes full autonomy by 2025
#6I put Ford's 2021 and BMW's 2025 and so on, into the autonomy is novelty category; just like the Roomba (yes the robot vacuum cleaner). There is no possible way in that time frame that either the software, or public infrastructure, or laws and regulations, and insurance are all going to magically go "full autonomy" in major cities, let alone outside of them, in that time frame. We've been trying to do this with train…
> But this industry sucks at software updates.
Except Tesla.
I think we're going to see a race from two ends of the spectrum: Can Tesla ramp up production faster than traditional manufacturers learn how to build software?
Re: BMW’s EV roadmap detailed, includes full autonomy by 2025
#7Same old same old "EV roadmap" that we've been seeing since 2005 from BMW/audi/porsche/etc. Just increase all the dates by four years and you can re-release the same old press release over and over again.
Promises of actual EVs in (four years from now) while continuing to roll out half-assed hybrid cars powered by ridiculous little lanwmower engines.
BMW is particularly guilty, given that their flagship "i" vehicle is not an EV at all and contains a clownish three-cylinder engine.
Truly, a hallmark of technology.
Re: BMW’s EV roadmap detailed, includes full autonomy by 2025
#8I put Ford's 2021 and BMW's 2025 and so on, into the autonomy is novelty category; just like the Roomba (yes the robot vacuum cleaner). There is no possible way in that time frame that either the software, or public infrastructure, or laws and regulations, and insurance are all going to magically go "full autonomy" in major cities, let alone outside of them, in that time frame. We've been trying to do this with train…
I would imagine intercity travel is immensely easier to solve than intracity travel.
On limited access highways, there are no pedestrians, no bicycles (mostly and not in traffic lanes), no turns, separation of travel in different directions, generally well-defined lanes, etc. Non-limited access highways aren't quite as straightforward but they still seem immeasurably easier than a busy city.
Yes, speeds are higher but dealing with mostly well-defined problems like sudden braking at speed is something it seems as if computers should actually be pretty good at as opposed to all the random events that happen on city streets.
[EDIT: Yes, I misread. I'm in violent agreement with the parent. :-) ]
Re: BMW’s EV roadmap detailed, includes full autonomy by 2025
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would imagine intercity travel is immensely easier to solve than intracity travel.
On limited access highways, there are no pedestrians, no bicycles (mostly and not in traffic lanes), no turns, separation of travel in different directions, generally well-defined lanes, etc. Non-limited access highways aren't quite as straightforward but they still seem immeasurably easier than a busy city. Yes, speeds are higher but dealing with mostly well-defined problems like sudden braking at speed is something…
I think you read the parent comment wrong
Re: BMW’s EV roadmap detailed, includes full autonomy by 2025
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
On limited access highways, there are no pedestrians, no bicycles (mostly and not in traffic lanes), no turns, separation of travel in different directions, generally well-defined lanes, etc. Non-limited access highways aren't quite as straightforward but they still seem immeasurably easier than a busy city. Yes, speeds are higher but dealing with mostly well-defined problems like sudden braking at speed is something…
I think you read the parent comment wrong
Indeed I did.