I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor
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I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor
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Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor
#2If anyone could take the time to break down what this is about and why it's significant for those like me who are very out of the loop I'm sure we'd appreciate it.
Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor
#3If anyone could take the time to break down what this is about and why it's significant for those like me who are very out of the loop I'm sure we'd appreciate it.
I found this Wired article: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...
Basically, multiple women accused Jake Applebaum, a big shot in the Tor community, of sexually assaulting them, and his ex-girlfriend (the OP) was made into a pariah for defending him. For what it's worth, if the accusations are true, it's not improbable that he would've refrained from being an ass to his ex-girlfriend. Brock Turner, the Stanford rapist, has a female friend who wrote a moving testimony to what a great friend he was.
Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor
#4If anyone could take the time to break down what this is about and why it's significant for those like me who are very out of the loop I'm sure we'd appreciate it.
Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor
#5If anyone could take the time to break down what this is about and why it's significant for those like me who are very out of the loop I'm sure we'd appreciate it.
[Edit] Nevermind: http://jacobappelbaum.net/
[2nd edit] For balance: https://ourresponse.org/
Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor
#6If anyone could take the time to break down what this is about and why it's significant for those like me who are very out of the loop I'm sure we'd appreciate it.
I am a woman, and I estimate that more than half of the Tor core people know I was dating him, or at least close to him. If Tor believed there was victims, why did no one ask if I had bad experiences with Jake?
I have no idea what this is all about but it seems like high school drama and a total waste of time. If I'm missing something here I would like to be educated as well..
Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor
#7I read the whole drama bomb which could be a high school aged spat as easily as the adults involved in the Tor project, but this stood out:
>To be clear I believe Jake has hurt people (which he has admitted himself) and didn't respect people's boundaries. I do not believe he is a rapist or a harasser and I am wondering what the people who started this campaign are trying to achieve.
Admitting he's abusive and ignores boundaries while at the same time saying that behavior isn't harassing or rape is some Grade A dissonance. There wasn't some conspiracy. This woman even admits the guy hurts people and disrespects boundaries. The fact she doesn't have specific details about a rape or other harassment is irrelevant.
She knows the guy has hurt others, and then thinks there is a campaign allied against him?
I'd want any person like she describes removed from any communities I belong to, and not surprised the Tor Project decided the same.
Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor
#8If anyone could take the time to break down what this is about and why it's significant for those like me who are very out of the loop I'm sure we'd appreciate it.
[Edit] Nevermind: http://jacobappelbaum.net/ [2nd edit] For balance: https://ourresponse.org/
That site is pure social media vigilantism. They specifically state that they don't need for him to be proven guilty in a court of law. Really bad for our industry and society to have stuff like this out there.
EDIT since I'm blocked from further commenting:
Not only are we as tech industry members told to believe all accusations (made by the "right" person) regardless of the lack of evidence. We are _encouraged_ to witch hunt the targets of these attacks and proactively destroy their lives. If we don't, we're labeled regressive. If we speak up and question the validity of the claims we're called all manner of X-ist labels.
The courts exist for a reason, they can deal with punishing those who break the law. In most of the cases what we're seeing is fully legal activity being run through a kangaroo court of public opinion spearheaded by ideologs on social media.
Scary times, but I'll continue to voice resistance on sites like this despite the inevitable wave of downvoting and semi-occasional censoring.
Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor
#9If anyone could take the time to break down what this is about and why it's significant for those like me who are very out of the loop I'm sure we'd appreciate it.
Jake was accused of multiple cases of sexual harassment, amongst other things. Tor held an investigation and found that the allegations held up. He was very popular and high-profile, but Tor decided it was best for the project to no longer be associated with him.
The rest of this is the inevitable consequence of any split of this nature. FWIW I think they did the right, and the hard, thing.
Re: I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor
#10If anyone could take the time to break down what this is about and why it's significant for those like me who are very out of the loop I'm sure we'd appreciate it.
I found this Wired article: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c... Basically, multiple women accused Jake Applebaum, a big shot in the Tor community, of sexually assaulting them, and his ex-girlfriend (the OP) was made into a pariah for defending him. For what it's worth, if the accusations are true, it's not improbable that he would've refrained from being an ass to his ex-girlfriend. Brock…
> it's not improbable that he would've refrained from being an ass to his ex-girlfriend
That's not what she says: "Still, I do have a weird feeling about many of these stories because they contain facts I know are wrong"
Remember that time a couple people accused Appelbaum of sexually harrassing a woman, and then she said that's not what happened at all? Yeah.
The sad thing is that I'm fairly confident that most of the stories are true. But they're mixed in with some real garbage from people who hate Jake for weird reasons, which makes them seem less credible. Awful tactics.